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Bob Rogers <[log in to unmask]>
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The philosophy, work & influences of Noam Chomsky
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Sun, 7 Apr 2002 09:51:22 -0700
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Come on, David. You know perfectly well what I was saying, and that there
was no personal criticism of you, your mother, or your grandmother implied.
You used the first person singular and I merely replied in the same vein.
Might I have said it differently? Of course. But for you to take offence
here is like me taking offence at someone saying "white people like you
(which I admittedly am, as you are admittedly Jewish) committed horrendous
crimes against African Americans" which it true, but carries no implication
of my personal involvement.

Bob


David Griffin wrote..
>I am starting to see a pattern here: When put to the test, well-meaning
>"liberals" in tense climates turn into knee-jerk right-wing reactionaries.
>
>"Folks like me," eh, Bob? "Brutal uncaring bastards." "Little green men from
>Mars."
>
>Then he turns around and says that the same people, "folks like me," who
>robbed the Palestinians of their land, should be "deeply respected and
>honored! "
>
>How disingenuous can you get!!!! He says "folks like me" destroyed
>Palestinian's homes, but the same  "folks like me" who reject and condemn
>Israel's actions are also to be "deeply respected and honored." We are all,
>the whole lot of us, "Jews, period"! How about human beings, buddy? Is that a
>category worthy of recognition?
>
>"Folks like you"..... I will never forget that.
>
>-- David
>
>In a message dated 4/7/2002 1:43:26 AM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask]
>writes:
>
>
>> >> And
>> >> if I remember correctly, wasn't it Jews who demanded that the British
>> >> mandate of Palestine be given to them as a country, and not anyone else?
>> >
>> >No, sir. It was the Zionists, not "the Jews." People are continually
>> lumping
>> >"the Jews" together with Zionists into one camp. This is incorrect since
>> the
>> >majority of "the Jews" choose to not live in Israel, nor even visit. Nor
>> are
>> >they even religious.
>>
>> But I didn't say "THE Jews" (the implication being that *all* Jews either
>> condoned and/or engaged in those actions), I said 'Jews'. And call them
>> what you will, Zionists, or brutal uncaring bastards, or little green men
>> from Mars... they were Jews, period!
>>
>> >Me, my mother, and my grandmother are "Jews"-- we didn't expell anyone.
>>
>> But folks like you DID exercise their right of 'return'... to a place
>> they'd never been... to steal the land and homes of others.
>>
>> >Many "Jews" have fought hard against the existence of an Israeli state
>> since >day one. Thousands of Jews in Israel are now being called
>> "refuseniks" as they refuse to show up to mandatory military service in the
>> Israeli army-- they >do not want a hand in the killing of innocent
>> Palestinian women and >children.
>>
>> And believe me, David, I deeply respect and honor those Jews and
>> refuseniks, and many others, who reject and condemn Israel's actions.
>>
>> Bob
>
>

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