On Tue, 9 Jan 2001, Tony Abdo wrote:

> This Gramsci vs. Tocquevlle theory has got to be the most idiotic and
> pretentious explanation of the basic US division I have ever heard of.

You have to explain more than this.

Put some detail in this . . .

> Anybody that looks at the electoral map of states won by the 2
> imperialist candidates can clearly find where the fault lines are. And
> they are both regional and metropolitan in character.
>

Electoral map?

Who drew these maps?

Have you been engulfed in the propaganda generated by this system?

Be careful of the politics of language and semantics.


> The basic division in the US continues to be North and Pacific Coast
> states vs. Rural West and South.  Intermixed, is still another
> division.... Rural and Suburbs vs. Major Metropolitan Areas.  As a
> whole, suburbs are for Whites, not Blacks or Browns.
>

What are you manufacturing here?

Is the bottom line of what you are saying based on race and the
geo-political lines created by racism?

> It is just as suicidal today as it was pre-Civil War era, to allow
> racism and backward leaning culture in one region to fester
> unchallenged.

What group of people practice racism?

Is it racism or white supremacy that must be challenged?

I don't know what you are saying here.

> And that is what has been done in the US for 125 years post
> Reconstruction Era, with the lone exception of the brief Civil Rights
> struggles during the '60s.
>

What came of that so-called "Civil Rights struggle?"


> Add to this, the unchallenged construction of the US suburbia by the
> Right, post World War Two.      The capture by outright fraud of one
> presidency is just a cherry on the cake.

Has there ever been a correct and just election in the United States?


> The US Left lives today, in cultural enclaves inside a few cities and
> a few university areas, and even only inside a few isolated unions.
>

Really?

Waht are these "cultural enclaves?"


> The Left will have to reconstruct an evangelical movement similar to the
> Civil Rights Movement and the effort to form unions.     And it will
> have to take the fight into the heartland of where the Right reigns
> supreme..... the 'Sunbelt' and Western States.     Instead of adapting
> and trying to be 'bumpkin' as proposed by the DLC, the Left has to
> embarass the South, by showing it up for the 'bumpkin' culture it is.
> Luckily, we now have the Beverly Hillbillies in office.      The enemy
> is not exactly in disguise.
>

And the goal of all of this would be what?

Would it end white supremacy?

Would the cultural wars end?

> People from Alabama, Texas, Arizona, and the South as a whole, are
> pretty thick headed.

What do you mean by this?

You paint with a very broad brush . . .


> So a subtle message of apologetic confrontation will not change hearts
> and minds.  Add the elitest, meatheaded delusionism of the better-off
> suburbanites into the equation, and only a militant effort from
> city-goers to regain control of federal and state monies will suffice.
>
> The Left has been in full scale retreat in the cultural wars, ever since
> they allowed the sickeningly sweet Jimmy Carter to take over post Nixon.
> Ridicule will bring this current crew down, not accomodation.   The Left
> lost the war to embarrass the Reagan team, which led to a 'lost
> generation'.    Lose the culture war again, and we might lose the planet
> with it.
>
> Tony Abdo


Tony I am lost with what you are saying.

Please break it dowwn for me . . .


F. Leon