no, i am referring to the "disingenuous knuckleheads in georgia"
mentioned in a reply to your origional message. there are lots of things
wrong here, so when something has helped me, i give credit. not much in
georgia gets a positive statement out of me though. i plan to leave when i
retire if not before.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: joan m wallyn [SMTP:[log in to unmask]]
> Sent: Monday, April 19, 1999 7:57 AM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: ***Not a Flame!***:)
>
> Kenneth -- By "they" are you referring to LA? JMW
>
> On Mon, 19 Apr 1999 07:12:52 -0400 "Barber, Kenneth L." <[log in to unmask]>
> writes:
> >
> >just to be fair, i have been in several states (not all of them by any
> >measure) and as far as the dept of education, (can't say about the
> >rest of
> >state government) they have the best education program for the
> >handicapped
> >kids than all the states that i have been in.
> >like i said just to be fair.
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Brian Shea [SMTP:[log in to unmask]]
> >> Sent: Friday, April 16, 1999 5:27 PM
> >> To: [log in to unmask]
> >> Subject: ***Not a Flame!***:)
> >>
> >> Joan,
> >>
> >> <*Rant Advisory*>
> >> What you say about people in jails and prisons who
> >> need psych. services not receiving them they is
> >> absolutely right. That is a nationwide problem
> >> stemming from public policy that values building more
> >> and more prisons to lock people down in, many of whom
> >> may have had (untreated)psych issues to begin with,
> >> and who only come out crazier after being let out from
> >> some of these high-tech "Super-Max" dungeons without
> >> some transition to living among people in regular
> >> society.
> >>
> >> Any kind of health-care for prisoners, with or withou
> >> any kind of disabilities, is not considered a priority
> >> in a public-policy environment where politicians can
> >> get a lot of cheap votes by snarling about all those
> >> criminals and what we should do to them. Funny, most
> >> of the guys doing some of the loudest snarling are
> >> ideal candidates for orange jump-suits themselves.
> >> Especially if racism itself was a criminal offense.
> >> <*End of Rant*> :)
> >>
> >> RE:the "mistakes of the 70's" of which this bureaucrat
> >> speaks of in his letter, I'm assuming this refers to
> >> the wholesale "dumping" of people out of truly
> >> frightening institutions into the community with no
> >> supports, are exactly what these folks want to do &
> >> what they're afraid that the ADA's "integration
> >> requirement" will stop them from doing-- getting by on
> >> the cheap.
> >>
> >> Providing services for people with disabilities in the
> >> most integrated setting doesn't depend on the clinical
> >> diagnostic category of one's impairment. It depends
> >> on the kind of services and supports an individual
> >> needs-- *those* depend on a person's clinical
> >> situation. What these jokers in Georgia want to do is
> >> provide cheap, inadequate "services" in institutions
> >> for people with certain diagnostic labels, and they
> >> would hate like hades to have to bother with actually
> >> providing supports to meet real people's real needs.
> >> That would mean they would actually have to <*gulp*>
> >> adequately fund <*horrors!*> real mh services,
> >> personal assistance services, etc. That is why what
> >> this guy says about not wanting to abrogate the ADA
> >> is, to put it politely, er... "". Just
> >> look at their track record.
> >>
> >> I hope at least some of this makes sense, and I hope
> >> you don't take my anger at these knuckleheads
> >> personally.
> >>
> >> Brian
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --- joan m wallyn <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> >> > I know I'm probably going to get flamed but...
> >> > This letter seems to
> >> > make a lot of sense. We are struggling with this
> >> > very issue in the
> >> > agency/district that I work in. The truth is that a
> >> > lot of jails are
> >> > being used to house people who need treatment. Are
> >> > there distinctions
> >> > made between physical disabilities and mental
> >> > illness? I've copied a lot
> >> > of this thread and filed it, but these things have
> >> > never been addressed.
> >> > I for one do not want to repeat the "mistakes of the
> >> > 70's" as they cost
> >> > me dearly. Joan M. Wallyn
> >> >
> >> > On Fri, 16 Apr 1999 02:30:17 -0400 "I. STEPHEN
> >> > MARGOLIS"
> >> > <[log in to unmask]> writes:
> >> > >-----Original Message-----
> >> > >From: Majordomo List Server
> >> > [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On
> >> > >Behalf
> >> > >Of Stephanie Thomas
> >> > >Sent: Thursday, April 15, 1999 4:32 PM
> >> > >To: micasa-list
> >> > >Subject: FW: Roland Letter
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >-----Original Message-----
> >> > >From: Mark Johnson <[log in to unmask]>
> >> > >Date: Tuesday, April 13, 1999 6:46 PM
> >> > >Subject: Olmstead
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >>THIS LETTER WAS RECENTLY SENT TO THE REMAINING
> >> > STATES (NOW, 8). HOW
> >> > >DO YOU
> >> > >>LIKE THE FIRST SENTENCE OF THE 4TH PARAGRAPH?
> >> > GOVERNOR ROY BARNES,
> >> > >GA, CAN
> >> > >>STILL PULL THE PLUG ON THE APPEAL. LET TOMMY
> >> > OLMSTEAD AND CARL
> >> > >"EDDIE"
> >> > >>ROLAND ( DHR, MH/MR/SA, Two Peachtree Street, NW,
> >> > Suite 22-224,
> >> > >Atlanta,
> >> > >>GA, 3030-3142) AND GOVERNOR BARNES (240 State
> >> > Capitol, GA, 30334,
> >> > >>404-656-1776 or e-mail him, go to his comment page
> >> > at:
> >> > >>http://ganet.org/governor/contact.html, remember
> >> > no www.) KNOW WHAT
> >> > >YOU
> >> > >>THINK IS "IN THE BEST INTEREST OF PEOPLE WITH
> >> > DISABILITIES."
> >> > >>
> >> > >>Thanks,
> >> > >>
> >> > >>Mark
> >> > >>
> >> > >>Last fall, your state supported Georgia's
> >> > successful petition to the
> >> > >U.S.
> >> > >>Supreme Court to review lower court decisions in
> >> > favor of the
> >> > >plaintiff in
> >> > >>L.C. v. Olmstead. As you know, the lawsuit was
> >> > brought on behalf of
> >> > >two
> >> > >>state hospital patients claiming that Georgia
> >> > officials violated
> >> > >their
> >> > >>rights under the Americans with Disabilities Act
> >> > by continuing to
> >> > >serve
> >> > >>them in the hospital when they could have been
> >> > served in a more
> >> > >integrated
> >> > >>community setting.
> >> > >>
> >> > >>No doubt, you and your public officials are being
> >> > pressured to
> >> > >withdraw
> >> > >>your state's support. I am writing to urge you to
> >> > stay with us and
> >> > >to
> >> > >>clarify why we took this case to the Supreme
> >> > Court. I hope this
> >> > >>information will help you answer opponents, who
> >> > mistakenly believe
> >> > >that
> >> > >>Georgia is trying to hold people in institutions,
> >> > that we are
> >> > >violating
> >> > >>their civil rights by not moving them to the
> >> > community, and that we
> >> > >are
> >> > >>willing to undermine the ADA to support our
> >> > position.
> >> > >>
> >> > >>We fully understand and appreciate the importance
> >> > of the ADA to
> >> > >people with
> >> > >>disabilities. However, we content that the
> >> > "integration regulation"
> >> > >of the
> >> > >>ADA does not address the issue of moving people
> >> > from institutions to
> >> > >>community services, and a finding in favor of
> >> > Olmstead does not
> >> > >weaken the
> >> > >>law.
> >> > >>
> >> > >>Moreover, we strongly believe that the lower court
> >> > rulings are not in
> >> > >the
> >> > >>best interest of people with disabilites. As it
> >> > stands, the decision
> >> > >sets
> >> > >>a precedent for further law suits, including class
> >> > action law suits,
> >> > >that
> >> > >>could require states to move everyone to the
> >> > community whose clinical
> >> > >>evaluation shows them capable of living in the
> >> > community, without
> >> > >regard
> >> > >>for consumer or family choice. Unless we are
> >> > willing to repeat the
> >> > >>mistakes of deinstitutionalization in the 1970's,
> >> > funding will have
> >> > >to be
> >> > >>available to support the services people need to
> >> > leave the
> >> > >institution and
> >> > >>live successfully in the community. And, unless
> >> > public officials are
> >> > >>willing to find new revenue, the funding will have
> >> > to come from the
> >> > >state
> >> > >>hospitals or from other existing resources (that
> >> > may also support
> >> > >needy
> >> > >>programs). Moving money from state hospitals must
> >> > be done in a
> >> > >carefully
> >> > >>planned way to avoid undermining services for
> >> > those who remain.
> >> > >Court
> >> > >>orders can make that planning difficult.
> >> > >>
> >> > >>In short, Georgia is not opposed to
> >> > deinstitutionalizatio, and we are
> >> > >not
> >> > >>taking a stand against civil rights. In fact, the
> >> > state has made
> >> > >dramatic
> >> > >>progress in expanding community services, and
> >> > without a court order.
> >> > >Since
> >> > >>1996, we have closed three hospitals, and since
> >> > 1995, we have moved a
> >> > >total
> >> > >>of $83 million from hospitals to new community
> >> > services. However, we
> >> > >are
> >> > >>opposed to moving people to community services if
> >> > we do not have the
> >> > >>resources to provide the supports they need. We
> >> > do not want to
> >> > >contribute
> >> > >>to people with mental disabilities ending up in
> >> > jails on on the
> >> > >street.
> >> > >>
> >> > >>The outcome of L.C. v. Olmstead has far reaching
> >> > implications for all
> >> > >>states and their services to people with
> >> > disabilities. We hope you
> >> > >will
> >> > >>stand with us.
> >> > >>
> >> > >>If you need additional information, please do not
> >> > hesitate to call me
> >> > >at
> >> > >>404-657-2260. Thank you for your support.
> >> > >>
> >> > >>Sincerely
> >> > >>
> >> > >>Carl E. Roland,Jr.
> >> > >>Director
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >NATIONAL ADAPT MAILING LIST - Adapt MiCASA List of
> >> > Adapt Organizers.
> >> > >
> >> >
> >> >
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> >>
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