you are correct, that's what i meant.
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From: Michael H. Collis <[log in to unmask]>
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Sent: Friday, March 14, 2008 7:15:49 PM
Subject: Re: not what if/ and rate of CP not the same
It was mainly the eugenics movement which inspired the euthanasia movement and Hitler. The eugenics movement was the brainchild of American Doctors.
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>Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 13:31:15 -0700
>From: Tamar Raine <[log in to unmask]>
>Subject: Re: not what if/ and rate of CP not the same
>To: [log in to unmask]
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>I am with KAT on this, used to be pro choice, but when I learned the history of the abortion rights movement, and its ties to the euthenasia movement, which ultimately inspired hitler - Plus I appreciate my life and who I am- I am now, pro-life save for the life of the mother.
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>----- Original Message ----
>From: ken barber <[log in to unmask]>
>To: [log in to unmask]
>Sent: Friday, March 14, 2008 9:02:09 AM
>Subject: Re: not what if/ and rate of CP not the same
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>this is why i am pro life guys.
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>--- Trisha Cummings <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
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>> Hi Kyle,
>>
>> What I am curious about is when she says they
>> saved her baby without
>> her knowing - Is she saying - she would have had
>> them not save the baby?
>> While it is true that CP rates are up because they
>> can save babies
>> earlier and earlier - it ends up being a moral
>> question - Deciding who
>> lives and who dies. Unless you are clairvoyant one
>> can't predict how the
>> child will turn out - I mean Amber was projected to
>> be much more
>> seriously disabled than she is. One should
>> understand from the moment
>> one is pregnant that a fat healthy baby may well not
>> be the outcome -
>> and if you are not able to accept anything but the
>> Gerber Baby- you need
>> to be neutered. Because you are seriously too stupid
>> to have children in
>> the first place. Plus then the first time you
>> exhibit a defect - they
>> should kill you. So anyone with anything other
>> perfect health buys the
>> farm? Ouch, no Roosevelt - no Hawking.
>>
>> Trisha - who also thinks she about to
>> be offended - very
>> offended at that
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Cerebral Palsy List
>> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf
>> Of Cleveland, Kyle E.
>> Sent: Friday, March 14, 2008 8:53 AM
>> To: [log in to unmask]
>> Subject: Re: not what if/ and rate of CP not the
>> same
>>
>> Let me get this straight--I want to be absolutely
>> sure I understand what
>> you're implying here. "Saving" premature babies in
>> order to bring them
>> into the ranks of the living is problem? So medical
>> science should not
>> be used to protect and preserve a life if that life
>> is too fragile to
>> survive without it? =20
>>
>> I daresay that many of us on this list would not be
>> here if that were
>> the case. Would it have been better to let us all
>> perish because, after
>> all, life with a kid with disabilities is going to
>> be more difficult
>> than raising a healthy child, right?
>>
>> There are a bunch of us on this list whose parents
>> were advised to
>> "institutionalize" us as small children because we
>> would never walk,
>> talk, or have cognitive abilities greater than the
>> average grapefruit.
>> I think as a group we've disproved that notion.
>>
>> I think I am about to be offended. I hope you can
>> change my mind.
>>
>> Kyle
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Cerebral Palsy List
>> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf
>> Of [log in to unmask]
>> Sent: Friday, March 14, 2008 8:21 AM
>> To: [log in to unmask]
>> Subject: Re: not what if/ and rate of CP not the
>> same
>>
>> First off I was not saying... what if... I mentioned
>> the fact that the
>> dr's=20
>> did not tell me they were saving my child. I was
>> mention the stem cell
>> thing=20
>> so if any of you had saved your cord blood you may
>> want to check into
>> it. I=20
>> think all they did was give him his blood back but
>> it did not say... so
>> you=20
>> would have to look into it.
>> =20
>> As to the rates of CP.... they were the 1 birth
>> problem that was way
>> down=20
>> 'UNTIL' 20 or 30 years ago when doctor started
>> 'saving' and
>> experimenting and=20
>> making millions of preemies and their families. The
>> rate were down
>> because of=20
>> better prenatal care but then when they started
>> adding the smaller and
>> smaller=20
>> babies back to the living the rates of CP when right
>> back up.
>> =20
>> Just a thought-
>> Kristina
>>
>>
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