wait, kyle, i thought bush bombed the levys.
--- On Thu, 8/28/08, Cleveland, Kyle E. <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> From: Cleveland, Kyle E. <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: New Orleans and Gustav
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Date: Thursday, August 28, 2008, 8:27 AM
> Louisiana's laws are kind of screwy due to the Parish
> concept (holdover
> from the French days). Their law is based loosely on
> Spanish Imperial
> laws, IIRC. Anyway, it's different from the English
> Common Law which is
> the basis for all of the other states' civil systems.
> Case law (legal
> precedent) isn't factored in. If I had the time,
> I'd Wiki it and find
> out for sure.
>
> At any rate, yes, the requirement for Commercial
> Driver's Licenses (CDL)
> to drives buses can easily be superseded by sheriff's
> fiat in most
> parishes or the Louisiana State Police, which has ultimate
> authority
> over all but Orleans parish. Many of our guys who were
> dispatched to
> NOLA were deputized and allowed to drive just about
> anything on
> four(plus) wheels.
>
> Greater NOLA at this point has at least 500 adaptive buses
> (at my last
> count) staged primarily for evacuation of folks with
> mobility issues.
>
> Now here's the rub: "Mandatory Evacuation"
> does NOT mean that the police
> or any other agency can forcibly remove you from your home.
> Folks in
> relatively "safe" areas, like Ohio, seem to have
> this idea that the
> Po-Po can bust down your door and drag you to safety.
> Nope--doesn't
> work that way. What it means is that if you want the
> assistance of
> those agencies to help guarantee your safe passage away
> from "ground
> zero", you need to get the heck out of Dodge pronto!
> Usually, this
> offer will extend up to an hour before hurricane force
> winds reach the
> area. After that, you're on your own. The safety
> director for
> Jefferson Parish (the one that got drowned in 2005)
> reiterated this
> yesterday.
>
> When the mandatory order came through in 2005, it was way
> to late anyway
> to be really effective. Still, many people who could have
> left did not.
> They chose to stay in their homes primarily to defend them
> against
> looting and the "it won't happen to me"
> syndrome (we all suffer from
> that at one time or another, so I do understand a bit).
> Once the storm
> hit, and especially after the levees started to breech, it
> was simply
> too dangerous for rescue teams to move in until things had
> reached some
> level of stasis. Nevertheless, some very heroic acts were
> performed on
> the part of law enforcement, the NG, USCG and the active
> services. Many
> of these very dangerous rescues would never have occurred
> if folks had
> simply heeded the evacuation recommendations leading up to
> the storm.
>
> Having said that, Law Enforcement within NOLA and the
> surrounding
> parishes unconstitutionally disarmed many of these folks
> who were in no
> danger from the floodwaters, but had stayed in their homes
> and had armed
> themselves for protection against the roving gangs that had
> returned to
> loot these areas. These people had been abandoned by their
> own police
> departments in many cases (I'll not judge the motives
> of the officers to
> leave--they have families too). Without a declaration of
> Martial Law,
> constitutional law cannot be superseded.
>
> It will be interesting to see how this plays out this
> weekend.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Cerebral Palsy List
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf
> Of ken barber
> Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 11:20 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: New Orleans and Gustav
>
> yjry claimed they had no drivers. can't police and
> firemen drive a bus
> in an emergency. it was just a total failire at the local
> level.
>
>
> --- On Wed, 8/27/08, Kendall D. Corbett
> <[log in to unmask]>
> wrote:
>
> > From: Kendall D. Corbett
> <[log in to unmask]>
> > Subject: Re: New Orleans and Gustav
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Date: Wednesday, August 27, 2008, 7:01 PM
> > Kyle, et al,
> >
> > I filled up today; the unused school busses point out
> the
> > need for
> > coordination between all local entities. School
> districts
> > also have one of
> > the larger pools of accessible busses in many
> communities,
> > and that could
> > save the lives of a lot of people with disabilities.
> > We've pushed for
> > enhanced coordination between our schools, paratransit
> > providers and
> > individuals with accessible vehicles in case of the
> need to
> > evacuate a large
> > number of people with disabilities. We've even
> > discussed using horse
> > trailers for short distance evacuations (many are
> ramped,
> > or could be easily
> > in an emergency). I'd a lot rather share a ride
> with
> > horse manure than
> > drown or die from fire or whatever.
> >
> > On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 4:38 PM, Cleveland, Kyle E.
> <
> > [log in to unmask]> wrote:
> >
> > > Ken, that's absolutely true. I have
> first-hand
> > knowledge and experience
> > > with recovery operations post-Katrina and the
> blame
> > lies completely at the
> > > mayor's feet. It's how our National
> Response
> > Plan (NRP) works. State
> > > resources don't get deployed until local
> resources
> > are exhausted. Federal
> > > resources don't get deployed until the
> State's
> > resources are used up.
> > > That's just the way it is. All of the buzz
> about
> > the lack of rapid Federal
> > > response is a bunch of hooey. Resources were
> staged
> > and ready to go, but
> > > local and state officials refused to "trip
> the
> > switch" until it was too
> > > late.
> > >
> > > ...and they re-elected him!
> > >
> > > It will be interesting to see how Gustav is dealt
> with
> > pre-emptively by
> > > local officials this time around. We've
> already
> > received a "Warning Order",
> > > just in case.
> > >
> > > A bit of advice to those of us on the list who
> drive:
> > Fill your tanks on
> > > Friday because there's sure to be a spike in
> > prices come the weekend.
> > >
> > > ________________________________
> > >
> > > From: Cerebral Palsy List on behalf of ken barber
> > > Sent: Wed 8/27/2008 3:30 PM
> > > To: [log in to unmask]
> > > Subject: Re: New Orleans and Gustav
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > i remember seeing pictures of thousands of school
> > busses sitting in flooded
> > > water down there. they really could have used
> those.
> > can we say "thank you
> > > mayor?"
> > >
> > >
> > > --- On Wed, 8/27/08, Anthony Arnold
> > <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> > >
> > > > From: Anthony Arnold
> > <[log in to unmask]>
> > > > Subject: Re: New Orleans and Gustav
> > > > To: [log in to unmask]
> > > > Date: Wednesday, August 27, 2008, 3:26 PM
> > > > That's easy for those of us with cars to
> say,
> > I did that
> > > > when we had the
> > > > flood in 1997 but I have a van with a lift.
> > However I
> > > > remember my brother
> > > > saying why couldn't they have had buses
> go
> > down in
> > > > ' 05 to help people get
> > > > out, that's what we did in 1997 and we
> > didn't even
> > > > have 1 death, but we only
> > > > had about 5,000 at max without vehicles.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > > Anthony Arnold
> > > > Remote Troubleshooter for PRC
> > > > 1-800-262-1984 ext. 494
> > > > www.anthonyarnold.net
> > > > Proud Member of Speak Share
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Cerebral Palsy List
> > > > [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On
> Behalf Of
> > > > ken barber
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 1:49 PM
> > > > To: [log in to unmask]
> > > > Subject: New Orleans and Gustav
> > > >
> > > > i just read an article that new orleans was
> > > > "considering" evactuation ahead
> > > > of Gustav.
> > > >
> > > > after Katrina they are only considering? if
> it
> > got close,
> > > > i'd be out of
> > > > there.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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> > Kendall
> >
> > An unreasonable man (but my wife says that's
> > redundant!)
> >
> > The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the
> > unreasonable one
> > persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
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