Ruth BP is also the list with all the archives!! Go to: http://maelstrom.stjohns.edu/CGI/wa.exe?A0=bullamanka-pinheads&D=&F=&H=&O=&S=&T= and search the archives for ivy WARNING: make sure you have a couple of hours to read the results! david >>> Ruth Barton <[log in to unmask]> 18/12/99 7:14:58 >>> Hi Folks, Is this the list with all the ivy haters? Ruth Ruth (HOUGHTON) BARTON Westminster,Vermont, USA [log in to unmask]