I important thing is to keep/get the moisture out of the wood, hence the
reason to avoid powerwashing. Backpriming/edgepriming new or
reinstalled/salvaged siding also helps. Being a dry climate, moisture
migration from the interior is absorbed into the wood where is no vapor
barrier. So, all that means that no amount of surface prep/scraping
will extend the paint coating life, if moisture is getting from the
back, or if the exterior surface is damp when the paint goes on. If you
can dry it out and keep it dry and paint all surfaces with good
(preferred oil base) primer and two acrylic finish coats, paint should
last 6-10 years. Good luck!
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Topics of the day:
1. Been meaning to put together a web site?
2. FW: Paint is paint is paint, maybe. (2)
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Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 09:29:41 -0400
From: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Been meaning to put together a web site?
<<As long as your site is heavy on content, and light on
sex/crime/death/disaster, it is now possible to cover your expenses, and
more, just through placing a few unobtrusive text ads.>>
With 13 million hits, they are getting an advertising bargain.
Larry, seems to me this should have happened a lot sooner, since your
website ROCKS. Anyone not taking advantage of the quality would be (as
Mr. T would say) a fool.
-Heidi
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Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 22:04:49 -0400
From: "Becker, Dan" <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: FW: Paint is paint is paint, maybe.
Calling all extreme northern pinhead brethren in from the cold...CP in =
BC, Callan, Leeke. Maybe Irene, I dunno...she might still be too close =
to the Mason-Dixon line.
John L., and maybe John C., will recall my spouting off in a paint =
thread over there in Forum-L a couple of months ago. This email to me =
just showed up. What can you guys say about paint films in extreme =
climes? We weren't talking about extreme climes on Forum-L. John L. and
= I posited that preparation is critical for success; without good prep
no = matter the quality of the paint, it isn't going to last. Is there a
= point at which no matter the quality of the prep, a quality mass
market = paint product isn't going to last? Mike E? For extremes, do we
have to = specify something more suited to extremes? Is it literally the
cold = leading to brittleness or the movement of the substrate due to =
contraction and later expansion that leads to failure? Is it the lack of
= elasticity in the film, or something more insidious?
I have his permission to solicit all y'all's assembled wisdom on this. I
= don't understand why you can't get paint to stick in a town of 600 =
buildings in Idaho. I'll report back to him whatall you think.
dan cover the world below the 50th parallel becker
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From: Larry Hoppe [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: Tue 10/7/2003 5:45 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Cc: Ann Swanson
Subject: Paint is paint is paint, maybe.
=20
I read with interest your assessment on painting historic siding. Does
= your data reflect information on our issue in far northern? Idaho, =
namely, low humidity and extreme cold in winter; and snow 4' to 6' deep
= standing most of the normal winter. =20 =20 The paint here doesn't
seem to last more than a few seasons ( Five years = is typical)
regardless of quality from what I've been advised by = citizens who have
lived here much longer than I.=20 =20 Are there any internet resources
you can recommend that our Historic = Preservation Commission might use
to add to our self-help education = efforts. =20 =20 For background, the
entire City of Wallace, Idaho (approximately 600 =
structures) is on the National Register of Historic Places. Thanks for
= any info you can provide. =20 Larry Hoppe Chairman,=20 Planning
Zoning, And=20
Historic Preservation Commission =20
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Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 22:40:02 -0500
From: John Callan <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: FW: Paint is paint is paint, maybe.
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At first when you were writing about extreme climates, I thought we were
talking Artic Circle. Idaho shouldn't differ much from anywhere else in
the northern tier of states, or the southern tier of provinces.
Most of the "mass market" paint failure I've seen is caused by the use
of powerwashers. And most of what I've seen has been right here in my
neighborhood. There's a real prejudice in favor of new fangled labor
saving gadgets, materals and methods. But they don't last worth a dam.
I find that if you scrape and sand and use a good primer and two
coats, paint is paint and it lasts a good long time. It wears out
faster when it gets a lot of abrasion...sand and ice, wind and rain. But
you really have to scrape and prime. The good news is that vynl siding
doesn't seem to last much longer than good paint.
Them damned power-washers, I've got neighbors painting their houses
every three years! You'd think the black stuff growing on their siding
might be a clue. But they think I'm a lunatic 'cause I'm out there
scraping. Well I may be a lunatic, but the areas I've finished painting
have stayed painted.
-jc
On Wednesday, October 8, 2003, at 09:04 PM, Becker, Dan wrote:
> Calling all extreme northern pinhead brethren in from the cold...CP in
> BC, Callan, Leeke. Maybe Irene, I dunno...she might still be too close
> to the Mason-Dixon line.
>
> John L., and maybe John C., will recall my spouting off in a paint
> thread over there in Forum-L a couple of months ago. This email to me
> just showed up. What can you guys say about paint films in extreme
> climes? We weren't talking about extreme climes on Forum-L. John L.
> and I posited that preparation is critical for success; without good
> prep no matter the quality of the paint, it isn't going to last. Is
> there a point at which no matter the quality of the prep, a quality
> mass market paint product isn't going to last? Mike E? For extremes,
> do we have to specify something more suited to extremes? Is it
> literally the cold leading to brittleness or the movement of the
> substrate due to contraction and later expansion that leads to
> failure? Is it the lack of elasticity in the film, or something more
> insidious?
>
> I have his permission to solicit all y'all's assembled wisdom on this.
> I don't understand why you can't get paint to stick in a town of 600
> buildings in Idaho. I'll report back to him whatall you think.
>
> dan cover the world below the 50th parallel becker
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Larry Hoppe [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> Sent: Tue 10/7/2003 5:45 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Cc: Ann Swanson
> Subject: Paint is paint is paint, maybe.
>
> I read with interest your assessment on painting historic siding. Does
> your data reflect information on our issue in far northern? Idaho,
> namely, low humidity and extreme cold in winter; and snow 4' to 6'
> deep standing most of the normal winter.
>
> The paint here doesn't seem to last more than a few seasons ( Five
> years is typical) regardless of quality from what I've been advised by
> citizens who have lived here much longer than I.
>
> Are there any internet resources you can recommend that our Historic
> Preservation Commission might use to add to our self-help education
> efforts.
>
> For background, the entire City of Wallace, Idaho (approximately 600
> structures) is on the National Register of Historic Places. Thanks
> for any info you can provide.
>
> Larry Hoppe
> Chairman,
> Planning Zoning, And
> Historic Preservation Commission
>
> --
> To terminate puerile preservation prattling among pals and the
> uncoffee-ed, or to change your settings, go to:
> <http://maelstrom.stjohns.edu/archives/bullamanka-pinheads.html>
>
>
John Callan, Architect, Inc.
Historic Preservation and Museum Services
784 Deerwood Circle
Lino Lakes, Minnesota 55014-5433
(651) 486-0890
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At first when you were writing about extreme climates, I thought we were
talking Artic Circle. Idaho shouldn't differ much from anywhere else in
the northern tier of states, or the southern tier of provinces. Most of
the "mass market" paint failure I've seen is caused by the use of
powerwashers. And most of what I've seen has been right here in my
neighborhood. There's a real prejudice in favor of new fangled labor
saving gadgets, materals and methods. But they don't last worth a dam.
I find that if you scrape and sand and use a good primer and two coats,
paint is paint and it lasts a good long time. It wears out faster when
it gets a lot of abrasion...sand and ice, wind and rain. But you really
have to scrape and prime. The good news is that vynl siding doesn't
seem to last much longer than good paint.
Them damned power-washers, I've got neighbors painting their houses
every three years! You'd think the black stuff growing on their siding
might be a clue. But they think I'm a lunatic 'cause I'm out there
scraping. Well I may be a lunatic, but the areas I've finished painting
have stayed painted.
-jc
On Wednesday, October 8, 2003, at 09:04 PM, Becker, Dan wrote:
<excerpt>Calling all extreme northern pinhead brethren in from the
cold...CP in BC, Callan, Leeke. Maybe Irene, I dunno...she might still
be too close to the Mason-Dixon line.
John L., and maybe John C., will recall my spouting off in a paint
thread over there in Forum-L a couple of months ago. This email to me
just showed up. What can you guys say about paint films in extreme
climes? We weren't talking about extreme climes on Forum-L. John L. and
I posited that preparation is critical for success; without good prep no
matter the quality of the paint, it isn't going to last. Is there a
point at which no matter the quality of the prep, a quality mass market
paint product isn't going to last? Mike E? For extremes, do we have to
specify something more suited to extremes? Is it literally the cold
leading to brittleness or the movement of the substrate due to
contraction and later expansion that leads to failure? Is it the lack of
elasticity in the film, or something more insidious?
I have his permission to solicit all y'all's assembled wisdom on this. I
don't understand why you can't get paint to stick in a town of 600
buildings in Idaho. I'll report back to him whatall you think.
dan cover the world below the 50th parallel becker
-----Original Message-----
From: Larry Hoppe [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: Tue 10/7/2003 5:45 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Cc: Ann Swanson
Subject: Paint is paint is paint, maybe.
I read with interest your assessment on painting historic siding. Does
your data reflect information on our issue in far northern? Idaho,
namely, low humidity and extreme cold in winter; and snow 4' to 6' deep
standing most of the normal winter.
The paint here doesn't seem to last more than a few seasons ( Five years
is typical) regardless of quality from what I've been advised by
citizens who have lived here much longer than I.
Are there any internet resources you can recommend that our Historic
Preservation Commission might use to add to our self-help education
efforts.
For background, the entire City of Wallace, Idaho (approximately 600
structures) is on the National Register of Historic Places. Thanks for
any info you can provide.
Larry Hoppe
Chairman,
Planning Zoning, And
Historic Preservation Commission
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</excerpt><fontfamily><param>Gadget</param>John Callan, Architect, Inc.
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</bigger></fontfamily>784 Deerwood Circle
Lino Lakes, Minnesota 55014-5433
(651) 486-0890
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