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Wow, a paint question! And with hocus-pocus space age technology thrown in! 
This is turning out to be a pretty good day.

Ok, so these round, smooth, hollow ceramic spheres have a low surface to 
volume ratio compared with ordinary paint fillers like talc, clay or crushed 
limestone, so the expensive stuff - the acrylic resin - gets stretched 
further. The addition of these lightweight spheres means the paint ends up 
lower in density and it takes less resin to make a gallon of paint. This more 
than pays for the cost of the microspheres, usually. That's OK, though, it 
doesn't generally compromise paint performance.

The insulation thing is something else. If energy cannot radiate through a 
vacuum, how come the sun heats the earth's surface? Besides that, heat can be 
readily conducted along the walls of the spheres. Dumb marketing talk. There 
oughta' be a law. Maybe if you apply the paint 12" thick you can build 
some "R" value.

As for "elastomeric" being equal to something bad and unbreathable, I will 
have to challenge the group's sensibiltites on that one. Show me the data! I 
have seen elastomeric coatings (including a couple of ours) out-breathe some 
of the so-called 99% breathable silicate coatings. Pore structure, pigment 
volume concentrations, microfoam and film thickness are factors that affect 
moisture vapor transmission rates. Some elastomerics are extremely breathable, 
some aren't.

Acrylics, in general, are a pretty useful useful family of polymers and they 
aren't necessarily elastomeric. Bullet-proof glass is actually an acrylic 
plastic, a fairly hard one. Latex caulks are based on relatively soft ones. 
They tend to be more weather and UV-resistant than oil-based paints and 
varnishes, and with proper preparation can last a lot longer than they usually 
do. A good acrylic paint, properly applied, should provide 20 or more years of 
service.

Edison Coatings, Inc.
Michael P. Edison
President
3 Northwest Drive
Plainville, CT 06062
Phone: (860) 747-2220 or (800)697-8055
Fax: (860)747-2280 or (800) 697-8044
Internet: www.edisoncoatings.com
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---------- Original Message -----------
From: "Becker, Dan" <[log in to unmask]>
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Sent: Wed, 3 May 2006 16:12:17 -0400
Subject: Re: [BP] Eco-Armour Cote/Rhino Shield? WTF?

> What I know off the top of my head:
> 
> The ceramic bead thing was originally marketed as providing "enhanced
> insulation" in the paint film using space shuttle technology (or
> something wild like that). After that was debunked, they had to take
> that claim out of their marketing. I don't know what value they are now
> claiming it adds. I think a google search will probably turn up the
> original conflagration.
> 
> Google-moments later:
> 
> Here's a link for a competing product that provides some explanation.
> Edison can surely tell us more....
> 
> http://www.hirshfields.com/ceramic/index.html
> 
> Here's the insulation shill:
> 
> http://ceramicadditive.com/work.html
> http://alsnetbiz.com/insulate/testimonial.html
> http://www.powerhousetv.com/stellent2/groups/public/documents/pub/phtv_s 
e_mo_000503.hcsp
> 
> Here's some debunking:
> 
> http://www.fsec.ucf.edu/Pubs/energyqa/q2.htm
> 
> 100% acrylic sounds to me like elastomeric, which of course would be a
> Very Bad Thing in terms of vapor permeability for an exterior wood
> clapboard wall system. 
> 
> Yep, it's a no-breathe elastomeric:
> 
> http://www.rhinoshield.net/coatings.cfm
> 
> Tell Ellen to stick to her guns. 
> 
> Of course, Edison will be able to give you the scientific reason not to
> do it, and Ralph can give you the NFG testimonial.
> 
> _______________________________________________________
> Dan Becker,  Exec. Dir.     "The workman ought often to
> Raleigh Historic           be thinking, and the thinker
> Districts Commission              often to be working."
> [log in to unmask]                         -- John Ruskin
> 919/516-2632 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: B-P Golden Oldies: "Is this the list with all the ivy 
> > haters?" [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On 
> > Behalf Of Brian Robinson
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2006 3:50 PM
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Subject: [BP] Eco-Armour Cote/Rhino Shield? WTF?
> > 
> > 
> > BP'ers
> > 
> > Here is a question sent to me by a friend in Savannah. I am 
> > not familiar with the product and I was hoping y'all could help.
> > 
> > Brian, 
> > 
> > I have a question about paint and I understand you have quite 
> > of bit of expertise in that area.  There is a contractor in 
> > the historic district who wants to paint a historic wooden 
> > clapboard house with this paint called "Eco-Armour Cote" also 
> > known as "Rhino Shield." This paint is 100% acrylic latex 
> > with ceramic beads. It sounds like bad news to me but I'm 
> > having to do some quick research on it because we've put a 
> > stop work order on the project and he's very upset. Do you 
> > know anything about this paint or know who I could contact? 
> > 
> > Thanks so much for your help, 
> > Ellen 
> >  
> > 
> > Brian Scott Robinson, MHP
> > Professor
> > Savannah College of Art and Design
> > School of Building Arts
> > Historic Preservation Department
> > P.O. Box 3146
> > Savannah, GA 31402
> > 
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