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> Topics of the day:
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> 1. stone dogs (2)
> 2. Hey, mac, you want mayunase wit dat? (4)
> 3. Hey, mac, you want mayunase wit dat? If not, try some of
> our...
> 4. Wildlife deterents
> 5. Hey, mac, there's a hair in my mayo!
> 6. a hair in my mayo!
> 7. Patination, hold the mayo! (2)
> 8. BACK ON THE VINE (2)
> 9. Valiant/Corvair Stories
>
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>
> Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 00:18:13 EDT
> From: Michael Davidson <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: stone dogs
>
> 82 feet up in the air on a free standing tower taking down over a 125 tons of
> beaux arts column on a lean is not my cup of tea;
> the first stone to come off was a torchere' with massive eternal flame
> that weighs over 14,000 lbs and went almost off the computer scale on the
> 180 ton crane making the pick.
> The stone dogs(lift pins) are counter sunk and rated for 9 tons; the enormous
> pressure of the pick makes them groan, and literally smoke as the pull is
> made from century old lime mortar putty and failed ferrous pins binding them
> in pressure and time.
> There is a pregnant moment as the dogs dip and tighten causing worrisome
> micro cracks than you watch helplessly meander in a wild craze across the
> face of the pin location ..puffing little puffs of smoke of crushed granite
> dust like a miniature run away choo choo that raises the hairs on the back
> of your neck in a cold sweat until finally the lifting dogs settle and find
> their bite of greatest strength thus enabeling the raising of the stone in
> a sudden give of shattered joints and falling debris re-birthing a sleeping
> giant airborn once again in 80 odd yrs
> ...or ....and this is its more deadly option .....that the enormus
> pressure of the lift will find a small un seen void thus splitting the stone
> through an unknown fault...causing the stone to lift and fall ....taking you
> and the scaffold down with it..
> .Micro cracks in such work that are not visible are the curse in all stone
> work..
> ..they are rare..but the possibility of them there is real .
> You can break the joint; and get it to wiggle with heavy bars; but the dogs
> do the real work; and when 3 to 7 tons pull from its source it can bounce and
> "kiss" its sister stones in the neighboring entablature with deadly results;
> a skilled crew must be ready to move fearlessly into the pull and " catch"
> the stone at the moment of birth in mid air with in place lariats ; hooked
> bars and cushioned wood preventing the deadly kiss that can push the whole
> mass over.
> While all this is going on the dogs groan ; smoke ; spall and hopefully find
> their mark and crucial bite.
> .The strain on the men at the moment of the pull is so intense as it is one
> of those moments where in a twinkling of the eye it can all go wrong very
> quickly....
> there is no where to go if the column goes down we all go down;
> simple as that.
> We have done our homework ; sound testing and rocking the set where we can;
> but still our shirts are soaking wet with sweat of the small percent of the
> unknown; the ellusive one missed detail ;the overlooked condition that we
> have trained lifetimes for race through our minds as we affirm our readiness
> for the pick.
> Each pick is organized with military precision ; with every step ; each
> station is checked and rechecked; before the crane is radioed and skillfully
> led through a calculated pull the operator cannot see
> Once the pick is made it can be set back down on 4x4 's where heavy basket
> straps can lift the mass in a choker through the chute of the scaffold.
> Working from an independent man lift would be impossible and not an option
> concerning site conditions;
> Each drum is made of 4 parts ; each part weighs 6,000 lbs there are 9 7ft
> drums 5 ft wide 2ft thick set in lime ; the lime did not fail the pins and
> the base failed plus it was struck by lighting several times.
> The interior of the column has a small hollow core that was infested with
> thousands of red wasps; and spiders you could put a leash on; to make matters
> worse as the drums came down a large 5 ft snake was observed at the base of
> the interior of the column feeding on small rodents that may wander in thru
> the large displaced joints.
>
> We found a 1905 newspaper at the 60 ft level and there are known time
> capsules buried in the base which we hope to get to next week
>
> for professional reasons I would like to let the project be nameless; as my
> description above is about the work and unknown conditions that can face even
> the most seasoned investigator;and nothing else ... contact me privately
> should you wish for any further query ....
> the men involved were all former Cathedral builders; and several crane
> companies declined the work citing concern over the lean and displacement of
> stone; there were some great engineers that confirmed our calculations that
> all that mass was still in compression although they declined to be on
> scaffold at the time of the pick; sucess has a thousand fathers ;failure is
> an orphan..best Michael
>
> .
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 07:44:21 +0100
> From: David west <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: stone dogs
>
> Salute that man. Carve his likeness in the next column. What an emotive =
> piece of writing - I could almost smell the sweat, hear the groans of the =
> stone, see the puffs of dust. What a website that would make. The words, =
> the images, the sound recordings and video bites. Aiya. You didn't =
> record it. Oh well. Maybe for the best, since these moments in time =
> cannot be repeated.
>
> Best regards
>
> david
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 06:10:58 -0400
> From: Mark Rabinowitz <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: Hey, mac, you want mayunase wit dat?
>
> Copper roofs can be aged by chemically patining them, you can even now buy
> pre-patined copper. The two chemicals which develop the typical greens of
> copper corrosion are cupric nitrate and copper sulfate, the first is more
> bluish green and the second more whitish green. Both chemicals are
> relatively easy to apply, adequately reactive even if used cold, and
> relatively safe. Neither tastes as good as mayonnaise.
> Horse hair was commonly used plaster and I recently came across a
> reference to the potential continued existence of anthrax bacteria on the
> horse hair in historic plaster. There's a thought for all you dust eaters
> out there!
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Met History <[log in to unmask]>
> To: [log in to unmask]
> <[log in to unmask]>
> Date: Friday, August 06, 1999 1:00 PM
> Subject: Hey, mac, you want mayunase wit dat?
>
> >Inspected a full bore 1905 townhouse renovation with an architect who is
> out
> >to lunch, historically speaking - he thinks its a restoration. Many $$$.
> >
> >For the new copper roof, he says his contractor is going to age the new
> >copper mansard by coating it with mayonnaise to patinate the copper. Isn't
> >there an easier way to do that (dare I say it: cat barf?) - or am I out to
> >lunch, too.
> >
> >Oh, and also I noticed, from the back, some original plaster squished
> through
> >the wooden lath (one of the few walls in the house that had survived) with
> >the customary "horsehair" binder. Was it really horsehair? Was horsehair
> >better than some other animal hair? (Oh no, cats again!!) How did they
> >glean the horsehair?
> >
> >Sign me,
> >Have it Your Whey
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 08:09:25 EDT
> From: Ken Follett <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: Hey, mac, you want mayunase wit dat?
>
> In a message dated 8/6/99 1:00:56 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> [log in to unmask] writes:
>
> > coating it with mayonnaise
>
> Interesting idea. I'll put this in my BS bag to wow the next customer with.
>
> ][<en
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 08:10:16 EDT
> From: Ken Follett <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: Hey, mac, you want mayunase wit dat? If not,
> try some of our...
>
> In a message dated 8/6/99 1:34:59 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [log in to unmask]
> writes:
>
> > by some old timer was to use horsepiss
>
> Gennie Cream Ale!
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 08:13:16 EDT
> From: Ken Follett <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: Hey, mac, you want mayunase wit dat?
>
> In a message dated 8/6/99 4:44:47 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> [log in to unmask] writes:
>
> > And anyone who has owned a golden retreiver knows that there is an unending
> > supply of hair
>
> Does mutt hair work as well? Or is the market limited to pure breeds?
>
> ][<en
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 09:13:04 -0500
> From: "J.A. Drew Diaz" <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: Wildlife deterents
>
> Heidi Harendza wrote:
>
> > In a message dated 7/26/99 12:58:31 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [log in to unmask]
> > writes:
> >
> > Also looking for recommendations on deterents for robbers/vandals, who broke
> > into the building while I was away.
> >
>
> Snakes
>
> DD
>
> --
> We have enough laws on the book, already, to confound us well into the 21st
> Century.
> What we lack is enough L.A.W.S. for the next century &
> One of those spiral cut hams and a real bow tie for the Millennium celebration.
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 23:23:47 -0400
> From: "T. Gale" <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Hey, mac, there's a hair in my mayo!
>
> Mark Rabinowitz wrote:
>
> > .... the potential continued existence of anthrax bacteria on the
> > horse hair in historic plaster. There's a thought for all you dust eaters
> > out there!
>
> Great! Now in addition to worrying about whether we are going to succumb to
> lead poisoning or asbestosis or tetanus or failing stone dogs or ???, we have to
> worry about anthrax. That makes my day.
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 11:58:54 EDT
> From: Heidi Harendza <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: Hey, mac, you want mayunase wit dat?
>
> In a message dated 8/9/99 8:14:03 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [log in to unmask]
> writes:
>
> > Does mutt hair work as well? Or is the market limited to pure breeds?
>
> I don't know... could require some testing. Perhaps our afternoon chemistry
> project at Mary's gig?
>
> Just make sure the dog doesn't eat the ambrosia salad.
>
> -Heidi
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 12:28:05 -0400
> From: "J. Bryan Blundell" <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: a hair in my mayo!
>
> Really need to see the document from which this statement came from.
>
> Sounds, out of context.
>
> Bryan
> ===================
>
> > Mark Rabinowitz wrote:
> >
> > > .... the potential continued existence of anthrax bacteria on the
> > > horse hair in historic plaster. There's a thought for all you dust eaters
> > > out there!
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 14:45:14 -0400
> From: JRhodes <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Patination, hold the mayo!
>
> I have done some reading on patination (there's a great British book on the
> subject-I don't have the title here.) for copper, bronze and brass. I also
> have CDA data and other references, but none adequately address the
> practicalities of field application on broad surfaces of new (red) or
> slightly aged (brown) copper.
>
> I found a product just now being introduced in this country called "Nordic
> Green", and worked with John Lee, conservator extordinaire in Annapolis,
> Maryland. He figured out what's in it and how to apply it so that it
> doesn't just weaken the established patina (if any) nor behave like a
> fragile coat of paint. But he did come away convinced that it can both
> mask the raw material to look very much like patinated green copper while
> allowing the natural patination process to advance, actually encouraging
> the process. The manufacturer doesn't know the tricks John knows. Nor
> have John's findings been verified over time.
>
> One crucial point is to apply it thinly (like John Mascaro's whitwash
> advise: "If you try to do a thick one coat application, the material drys,
> cracks and peels"). The temptation is to really lay it on because it looks
> better. Don't.
>
> And while you're mixing up dressings...try a lemonjuice (RealLemon brand
> will do) and salt mixture on badly mottled pieces of cast brass or bronze
> (like after you stripped off the paint splatters and it still looks
> bad...it'll quickly strip it down to a rosy red base so you can start all
> over again. (This is not conservation tested, just my home brew.) --Rev.
> Jim
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 15:09:09 -0400
> From: "J. Bryan Blundell" <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: Patination, hold the mayo!
>
> http://www.prginc.com/pub-index/metals.html#WAT002
>
> http://www.prginc.com/pub-index/metals.html#BUT023
>
> It is very difficult to find recipies and techniques for dealing with large
> surface area projects.
>
> Bookmonger
>
> ======================
>
> JRhodes wrote:
>
> > I have done some reading on patination (there's a great British book on the
> > subject-I don't have the title here.) for copper, bronze and brass. I also
> > have CDA data and other references, but none adequately address the
> > practicalities of field application on broad surfaces of new (red) or
> > slightly aged (brown) copper.
> >
> > I found a product just now being introduced in this country called "Nordic
> > Green", and worked with John Lee, conservator extordinaire in Annapolis,
> > Maryland. He figured out what's in it and how to apply it so that it
> > doesn't just weaken the established patina (if any) nor behave like a
> > fragile coat of paint. But he did come away convinced that it can both
> > mask the raw material to look very much like patinated green copper while
> > allowing the natural patination process to advance, actually encouraging
> > the process. The manufacturer doesn't know the tricks John knows. Nor
> > have John's findings been verified over time.
> >
> > One crucial point is to apply it thinly (like John Mascaro's whitwash
> > advise: "If you try to do a thick one coat application, the material drys,
> > cracks and peels"). The temptation is to really lay it on because it looks
> > better. Don't.
> >
> > And while you're mixing up dressings...try a lemonjuice (RealLemon brand
> > will do) and salt mixture on badly mottled pieces of cast brass or bronze
> > (like after you stripped off the paint splatters and it still looks
> > bad...it'll quickly strip it down to a rosy red base so you can start all
> > over again. (This is not conservation tested, just my home brew.) --Rev.
> > Jim
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 15:30:25 -0400
> From: "Gray, Tom" <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: BACK ON THE VINE
>
> Hey y'all, after a week's absitnence 'cuz of problums, my portal in the
> piney woods is reconnected. Shur missed all the banter, good humor, (and
> technical savie) that keeps th vine rattlin'. I'm another weak into the
> rehab on the 1903 Dodge house, and seeing things I (nievely I guess) thought
> you seen only in a slum. BUTT, it ain't got me ready to say "calf rope",
> yet. Shur said lotta other thaings, tho!!! (Bet don't nun of the rest of
> ya talk that way, do ya!) If ya got onna them "cancelled and didn't bother
> to read" messages, I didn't mean it nun - I kin look in without opening
> files (and then when I cancle 'em it sends them nastygrams without me
> knowin' it!) Tom
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 16:02:45 -0400
> From: Marie Ennis <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: BACK ON THE VINE
>
> I have the same "preview" feature that sends "deleted without being read"
> messages. I hope that I have'nt offended anyone.......
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gray, Tom [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> Sent: Monday, August 09, 1999 3:30 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: BACK ON THE VINE
>
> Hey y'all, after a week's absitnence 'cuz of problums, my portal in the
> piney woods is reconnected. Shur missed all the banter, good humor, (and
> technical savie) that keeps th vine rattlin'. I'm another weak into the
> rehab on the 1903 Dodge house, and seeing things I (nievely I guess) thought
> you seen only in a slum. BUTT, it ain't got me ready to say "calf rope",
> yet. Shur said lotta other thaings, tho!!! (Bet don't nun of the rest of
> ya talk that way, do ya!) If ya got onna them "cancelled and didn't bother
> to read" messages, I didn't mean it nun - I kin look in without opening
> files (and then when I cancle 'em it sends them nastygrams without me
> knowin' it!) Tom
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 13:32:17 -0700
> From: "Bruce.Barrett" <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: Valiant/Corvair Stories
>
> Our next door neighbour in Toronto (where I was forced to spend some time
> with my parents long ago before finding my true home in the Yukon) was an
> ancient Anglican minister, who drove a succession of Corvair convertibles,
> none of which died a natural death. Dr. Judd had a certain panache, and
> didn't like walking too much, so he would zoom up our dead-end street at
> illegal speeds, and wind up on his front lawn, inches from the porch stairs.
> His 50-something daughter, who had devoted her life to his care and feeding,
> would slowly climb out of the smoking Corvair, looking rather green. In his
> mid-nineties, they finally took away his license, and he died shortly
> thereafter.
>
> Incidentally, he confided to me that he had clear memories of the Klondike
> goldrush, and had plotted to run away and make his fortune in the Yukon. If
> they'd only invented Corvairs about 65 years earlier, he might have made it.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Norm/Ilene Tyler [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> Sent: Thursday, August 05, 1999 7:43 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: Valiant
>
> Ooops!, apparently it was not a Valiant that helped us move
> the piano,
> but a Corvair...Maybe we should start some Corvair stories,
> particularly
> Corvair survival stories.
>
> Ilene
>
> ------------------------------
>
> End of BULLAMANKA-PINHEADS Digest - 7 Aug 1999 to 9 Aug 1999 (#1999-211)
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