The ones that are newer are quite unobtrusive.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Miller" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2009 12:42 PM
Subject: Re: missed the point


The one time I encountered one, it was so loud, it made it very difficult to
tell what the traffic was doing, I had to get far enough from it to be
comfortable which put me way way out of where I should have been crossing.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steve" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2009 12:24 PM
Subject: Re: missed the point


> Colleen,
>
> I'd certainly be interested in substantiation of your claim about audible
> traffic signals.  It seems to me again that the NFB is counter-intuitively
> taking the wrong position.  In the few intersections where I've had the
> pleasure of encountering an audible traffic signal, they are most helpful.
> If
> you arrive at the intersection after the parallel traffic has started, you
> know whether the "Walk" signal is still on, meaning you have time to
> traverse
> the crossing without waiting through another cycle.  Some of the signals
> will
> state the street name, which is sometimes helpful if you are in an
> unfamiliar
> area and don't have access to a talking GPS solution. Finally, on
> low-traffic
> parallel crossings, what with right-turn-on-red and even left-turn on red
> in
> some intersections, there ae times when you wouldn't even know when the
> light
> had changed until it would be too late to safely cross the intersection.
>
> And, furthermore, my question would be if sighted people have an
> indication
> on when it is safe to walk, then why shouldn't the visually impaired?
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Colleen Roth" <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Friday, August 07, 2009 8:45 PM
> Subject: Re: missed the point
>
>
> I am proud to say that I have been a Member of the National Federation of
> the
> Blind since 1972.
> While I probably would never drive a car even if I could I am sure that
> those
> working on this Project would never consider driving a car in a Public
> Place
> alongside the Sighted unless it was safe to do so.
> As for the Marking of money it is simply not necessary, would be very
> expensive, and would make people feel that it would not be cost-effective
> to
> hire blind people.
> As far as Traffic Signals which beep, chirp, etc. they are intrusive, not
> reliable and defeat the Tenants of Safe Travel.
> As for Marks on a Subway Platform I am not sure that they would be very
> effective in the snow.
> Why not use your energy supporting legislation to make cars more audible
> while
> maintaining their fuel efficiency and working for Braille Literacy which
> are
> two things the NFB IS DOING.
> Colleen Roth, N8TNV;
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Richard Scott <[log in to unmask]>
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Date: 2009/08/07 18:29:10
> Subject: Re: missed the point
>
>>
>>
>> You go Boy!
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Terri Pannett" <[log in to unmask]>
>> To: <[log in to unmask]>
>> Sent: Friday, August 07, 2009 12:27 PM
>> Subject: missed the point
>>
>>
>> > The NFB, IN MY OPINION, IS OFF ITS ROCKER!  They oppose things which
>> > would
>> > really help us, like the street signals, accessible dollar bills, and
>> > the
>> > marks on subway platforms, but they want us to drive cars!  Whoopee!
>> > Spend
>> > time and money on a dumb project like an adapted dune buggy so a person
>> > who
>> > is blind can drive a car!
>> >
>> > Aren't there enough sighted drivers on the road who shouldn't be
>> > driving?
>> > Drunk drivers, people on drugs, people who can't see well enough to
>> > drive,
>> > people who don't have quick reaction time, people who don't have full
>> > use
>> > of
>> > their bodies and minds, people who don't use the sense they've got
>> > people
>> > who are too old or too young to drive and you want to add the blind to
>> > this
>> > group?  The DMV IS A JOKE!  They let people drive who shouldn't be on
>> > the
>> > road!
>> >
>> > Is this project practical?  No!  Is it stupid?  Yes!  NFB SHOULD
>> > SUPPORT
>> > adaptive things which would be of practical use instead of wasting time
>> > on
>> > a
>> > dune buggy for the blind!
>> >
>> > Terri Amateur Radio call sign KF6CA.
>> >