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"Richard B. McDonald" <[log in to unmask]>
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Hi Tom!

I think I agree that CW might be easier and better.  And, thanks for clueing
me in about programming CW vs. beeps.

73,
Richard KK6MRH

-----Original Message-----
From: For blind ham radio operators [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
On Behalf Of Tom Fowle
Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2016 6:46 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Foxhunting - CW vs. Beeps

richard,
Overall CW is more efficient and more accurate than a string of up to 9
beeps. Particularly over a count of 5, humans are just more likely to miss
count, particularly when running about a park like some kind of blind ham!
<GRIN>
The morse numbers each are doubly redundant in that you can count the dits,
the dahs or both thus improving your likelyhood of getting it right.

As for programming the code it's trivially easy unless the poor guy is at
the limits of his microprocessor's program memory and that's unlikely.

hope that makes sense.
73s
Tom Fowle WA6IVG

On Wed, Feb 10, 2016 at 07:02:33AM -0800, Richard B. McDonald wrote:
> Hi Tom!
> 
> Well, and I am sure many will not like what I am about to say, but to 
> have the attenuation squawked in CW means you would have to understand 
> CW; or at least the CW for numbers 0 - 9.  Seemingly, simple "beeps" 
> would be more user-friendly and universal.  And, CW might be a bit 
> more tricky to program into the firmware; but I am totally unsure 
> about that.  On the other hand, squawking CW would be faster )at least 
> for some numbers, again I think but am not sure).  Also, perhaps doing 
> this in CW would require the user to learn CW for numbers 0 - 9; which is
probably not a bad thing.
> 
> I am pondering this, and I am not firm on either method.  I would 
> appreciate a further discussion about this because I want to make my 
> suggestion for this tweak as meaningful and useful as possible.
> 
> 73,
> Richard KK6MRH
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: For blind ham radio operators 
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> On Behalf Of Tom Fowle
> Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2016 7:12 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: Foxhunting
> 
> richard,
> thanks for the details on the sniffer sounds like a blast.
> 
> Why not suggest a single digit morse number sent when changing 
> attenuation levels.
> 
> 73s
> Tom Fowle WA6IVG
> 
> On Tue, Feb 09, 2016 at 06:44:13AM -0800, Richard B. McDonald wrote:
> > Hi Tom!
> > 
> > The sniffer has a remarkably accurate automatic attenuation (i.e.,
> > ranging)
> > setting.: 0 meaning you're far away up to 9 meaning you're on top of it.
> > When the sniffer changes from one attenuation level to another, it 
> > sounds a "beep boop" tone.  Although you cannot tell by that sound 
> > exactly what the new attenuation level is, you know it changed.  
> > Since there is a sighted person close by helping you get about, it 
> > is easy to ask them "hey, what is the number displayed on my 
> > sniffer?"  The attenuation number is displayed on a LED screen on the
sniffer.
> > 
> > Incidentally, instead of the sniffer sounding a "beep boop" each 
> > time the attenuation number changed, it would be way cooler if it 
> > sounded a simple series of "bops" where the number of "bops" equated 
> > to the attenuation number.  Of course, the number 0 would need to 
> > somehow be dealt with.  It seems to me that this should be a simple 
> > firmware tweak.  When I get more experience with the sniffer, I am 
> > going to email
> its maker about this.
> > 
> > 73,
> > Richard KK6MRH
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: For blind ham radio operators 
> > [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> > On Behalf Of Tom Fowle
> > Sent: Monday, February 08, 2016 6:33 PM
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Subject: Re: Foxhunting
> > 
> > Richard,
> > congrats on the hunt and the win!
> > 
> > Was there any problem related to the sniffer changing attenuation
levels?
> > 
> > 73s
> > tom Fowle WA6IVG
> > 
> > On Mon, Feb 08, 2016 at 07:53:12AM -0800, Richard B. McDonald wrote:
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> > > Hi All!
> > > 
> > >  
> > > 
> > > I wanted to report back on my experience foxhunting blind.  I used 
> > > the
> > > MK4 <http://theleggios.net/wb2hol/projects/rdf/tape_bm.htm>
> > > receiver (a.k.a.,
> > > "sniffer") together with a tape measure Yagi 
> > > <http://theleggios.net/wb2hol/projects/rdf/tape_bm.htm> .  I got 
> > > the
> > > MK4 for
> > > $160 direct from its maker in Australia.  It can be gotten from 
> > > its US distributor for ~$300.
> > > 
> > >  
> > > 
> > > Using the MK4 was remarkably accessible, fun and easy.  It is a 
> > > super powerful and effective sniffer.  I am told that those (even 
> > > the
> > > sighted) who are really, competitively and regularly involved in 
> > > foxhunting use it.  My Elmer helped me build the Yagi.  That build 
> > > was fun and easy too!  People told me that the MK4 and Yagi 
> > > together are about the best foxhunting equipment that can be had.
> > > 
> > >  
> > > 
> > > Of course, being blind I needed someone to help me with running 
> > > all around the park where the foxhunt happened.  My niece who 
> > > knows nothing about ham radio helped me.  She's 22, and I am 
> > > blind.  This was my
> > first hunt.
> > > Nonetheless, we won!
> > > 
> > >  
> > > 
> > > 73,
> > > 
> > > Richard KK6MRH
> > > 
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> > > class=3DMsoNormal>Hi = All!<o:p></o:p></p><p 
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> > > wanted to report back on my experience foxhunting = blind.&nbsp; I 
> > > used the <a = 
> > > href=3D"http://theleggios.net/wb2hol/projects/rdf/tape_bm.htm">MK4
> > > </
> > > a> = receiver (a.k.a., &quot;sniffer&quot;) together with a <a =
> > > href=3D"http://theleggios.net/wb2hol/projects/rdf/tape_bm.htm">tap
> > > e = measure Yagi</a>.&nbsp; I got the MK4 for $160 direct from its 
> > > maker in = Australia.&nbsp; It can be gotten from its US 
> > > distributor for = ~$300.&nbsp; <o:p></o:p></p><p 
> > > class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p = 
> > > class=3DMsoNormal>Using the MK4 was remarkably accessible, fun and 
> > > = easy.&nbsp; It is a super powerful and effective sniffer.&nbsp; 
> > > I am = told that those (even the
> > > sighted) who are really, competitively and = regularly involved in 
> > > foxhunting use it.&nbsp; My Elmer helped me build = the Yagi.
> > > &nbsp;That build was fun and easy too!&nbsp; People told me = that 
> > > the
> > > MK4 and Yagi together are about the best foxhunting equipment = 
> > > that can be had.<o:p></o:p></p><p = 
> > > class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Of 
> > > course, = being blind I needed someone to help me with running all 
> > > around the park = where the foxhunt happened.&nbsp; My niece who 
> > > knows nothing about ham = radio helped me.&nbsp; She's 22, and I 
> > > am blind.&nbsp; This was my first = hunt.&nbsp; Nonetheless, we 
> > > won!<o:p></o:p></p><p = class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p 
> > > = class=3DMsoNormal>73,<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Richard 
> > > = KK6MRH<o:p></o:p></p></div></body></html>
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