it all seems stupid, lets all just use the one and leave it..i usually get 
messed up about a  week either side of the change


pro is to con as progress is to congress


On Sun, 18 Feb 2007, Steve wrote:

> Depends on your operating system.  If you have XP, the update to correct the DST
> issue was in your February 16 update as I think 931836.
>
> Older systems, you need to do it manually.
>
> And, that article continues to perpetrate a damn stupid myth in my opinion.  How
> is it that if people switch to daylight savings time they get an extra hour of
> sunlight?  The reference in that article to Arizona not switching because it is
> hot enough already is just purely insane!
>
> Having once lived in Spokane, on the eastern edge of the Pacific time zone, and
> living in Michigan on the western edge now, I can see the benefits and drawbacks
> of daylight time.
>
> I don't know how people in Eastern Washington lived without it, it would have
> gotten daylight before 5 A.M. without daylight time in the summer.
> Steve, K8SP
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "matt V" <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2007 1:55 PM
> Subject: Re: Daylight Savings change
>
>
> so i see a possibility of having to change manually on the computer since
> isn't daylight time already written in windows/linux hardcoded in
> otherwords, for a certain day?I heard this was just to give
> trick-or-treators another hour of light..come on, i mean how long has it
> been the now old way
>
> just my 1 cent
>
> matt
>
>
> On Sun, 18 Feb 2007, mike wrote:
>
>> Wow you Guys in the states how ever do you coordinate your time when
>> travailing across the country.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: For blind ham radio operators [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
>> On Behalf Of Howard Kaufman
>> Sent: 18 February 2007 18:05
>> To: [log in to unmask]
>> Subject: Fwd: re: Daylight Savings change
>>
>>> This came out of a cw qso we have every Sunday morning on 3.552.
>>
>> Thought it was interesting article.
>>
>>
>>> http://www.infoplease.com/spot/daylight1.html
>>>
>>> At 2 a.m. on March 11, groggy Americans will=20
>>> turn their clocks forward one hour, marking the=20
>>> beginning of Daylight Saving Time (DST).
>>>
>>> The federal law that established "daylight time"=20
>>> in this country does not require any area to=20
>>> observe daylight saving time. But if a state=20
>>> chooses to observe DST, it must follow the=20
>>> starting and ending dates set by the law. From=20
>>> 1986 to 2006 this has been the first Sunday in=20
>>> April to the last Sunday in October, but=20
>>> starting in 2007, it will be observed from the=20
>>> second Sunday in March to the first Sunday in=20
>>> November, adding about a month to daylight saving time. (See: New Federal=
>> Law.)
>>> No More Sunlight in Arizona and Hawaii
>>>
>>> Arizona (with the exception of the Navajo=20
>>> Nation) and Hawaii and the territories of Puerto=20
>>> Rico, Virgin Islands, Guam, and American Samoa=20
>>> are the only places in the U.S. that do not=20
>>> observe DST but instead stay on "standard time"=20
>>> all year long. And if you've spent any time in=20
>>> the sweltering summer sun in those regions you=20
>>> can understand why residents don't need another hour of sunlight.
>>> The Dawning of DST in Indiana
>>>
>>> Until April 2005, when Indiana passed a law=20
>>> agreeing to observe daylight saving time, the=20
>>> Hoosier state had its own unique and complex=20
>>> time system. Not only is the state split between=20
>>> two time zones, but until recently, only some=20
>>> parts of the state observed daylight saving time while the majority did=
>> not.
>>>
>>> Under the old system, 77 of the state's 92=20
>>> counties were in the Eastern Time Zone but did=20
>>> not change to daylight time in April. Instead=20
>>> they remained on standard time all year. That=20
>>> is, except for two counties near Cincinnati,=20
>>> Ohio, and Louisville, Ky., which did use daylight time.
>>>
>>> But the counties in the northwest corner of the=20
>>> state (near Chicago) and the southwestern tip=20
>>> (near Evansville), which are in the Central Time=20
>>> Zone, used both standard and daylight time.
>>>
>>> The battle between the old system and DST was=20
>>> contentious and hard-won=97bills proposing DST had=20
>>> failed more than two dozen times until finally=20
>>> squeaking through the state legislature in April=20
>>> 2005. As of April 2, 2006, the entire state of=20
>>> Indiana joined 48 other states in observing=20
>>> Daylight Saving Time. But it wasn't quite as=20
>>> simple and straightforward as all that=97telling=20
>>> time in Indiana remains something of a=20
>>> bewildering experience: eighteen counties now=20
>>> observed Central Daylight Time and the remaining=20
>>> 74 counties of Indiana observe Eastern Daylight Time.
>>> New Federal Law=97Springing Forward in March, Back in November
>>>
>>> Months after Indiana passed the law that got it=20
>>> in step with the rest of the country, the=20
>>> federal government announced a major change in=20
>>> Daylight Saving Time. In Aug. 2005, Congress=20
>>> passed an energy bill that included extending=20
>>> Daylight Saving Time by about a month. Beginning=20
>>> in 2007, DST will start the second Sunday of=20
>>> March and end on the first Sunday of November.
>>> Comparisons Around the World
>>>
>>> More than one billion people in about 70=20
>>> countries around the world observe DST in some=20
>>> form. Here are interesting facts about some of these countries:
>>>
>>>     * Most of Canada uses Daylight Saving Time.=20
>>> Some exceptions include the majority of=20
>>> Saskatchewan and parts of northeastern British=20
>>> Columbia. In the fall of 2005, Manitoba and=20
>>> Ontario announced that like the United States,=20
>>> they would extend daylight time starting in=20
>>> 2007. The attorney general of Ontario commented=20
>>> that "it is important to maintain Ontario's=20
>>> competitive advantage by coordinating time=20
>>> changes with our major trading partner, and=20
>>> harmonizing our financial, industrial,=20
>>> transportation, and communications links."=20
>>> Other provinces have indicated that they may also follow suit.
>>>     * It wasn't until 1996 that our NAFTA=20
>>> neighbors in Mexico adopted DST. Now all three=20
>>> Mexican time zones are on the same schedule as the United States.
>>>     * Also in 1996, members of the European=20
>>> Union agreed to observe a "summer-time period"=20
>>> from the last Sunday in March to the last Sunday in October.
>>>     * Most countries near the equator don't deviate from standard time.
>>>     * In the Southern Hemisphere, where summer=20
>>> arrives in what we in the Northern Hemisphere=20
>>> consider the winter months, DST is observed from late October to late=
>> March.
>>>     * Three large regions in Australia do not=20
>>> participate in DST. Western Australia, the=20
>>> Northern Territory, and Queensland stay on=20
>>> standard time all year. The remaining=20
>>> south-central and southeastern sections of the=20
>>> continent (which is where Sydney and Melbourne=20
>>> are found) make the switch. This results in=20
>>> both vertical and horizontal time zones Down Under during the summer=
>> months.
>>>     * China, which spans five time zones, is=20
>>> always eight hours ahead of Greenwich Mean Time and it does not observe=
>> DST.
>>>     * In Japan, DST was implemented after World=20
>>> War II by the U.S. occupation. In 1952 it was=20
>>> abandoned because of strong opposition by Japanese farmers.
>>>
>>>
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