bad eggs are definitely the exception on amateur bands.
At least HF bands.
And more specifically, any DX band. The crap happens when a group of like
minded individuals can congregate and can hear each other on a consistent
bases, every day or every night year after year.
It becomes their corner pub if you will and we know that a public house is
generally relatively free of constraints when it comes to language or
subject matter.
You certainly don't get much of the garbage when guys can't hear each other,
or they have to deal with band fade, or weak signals or any of that normal
DX stuff.
Stick some people behind a microphone and they become super man and real
tough lol.
Probably decent enough people in real life though.
It gets to be like theater where guys are acting or behaving a certain way
because they've built a persona around that.
The on air personality if you will for better or worse.
73
Colin, V A6BKX
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lou Kolb" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Monday, April 29, 2013 4:02 PM
Subject: Re: The Sideband War
> When I got back on the air in 02, i worried about whether I could still
> find
> civil, intelligent conversation. Happily, there is still quite a lot of
> it
> to be had. As has been stated, you just steer clear of the frequencies
> where the bad eggs congregate. Also, it's another good reason to operate
> CW. Misbehaving in Morse, although not unheard of, usually isn't worth
> the
> effort.
> Lou Kolb
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Miller" <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Monday, April 29, 2013 5:46 PM
> Subject: Re: The Sideband War
>
>
>> For a while 14.275 was no better, I don't know if that crew is still
>> there
>> or not I haven't heard them in a while. 3.910 in regions 1 and 2 and some
>> of
>> 3 in the US is worse than anything I've heard on 14.313 though. Once in a
>> while they have an entertaining discussion, usually when they're all very
>> obviously drunk and/or high, and will admit it, but most often, it's
>> idiocy
>> at it's finest. Not many of them are running legal band width for SSB, or
>> legal power but people for the most part leave them alone. What's funny
>> is
>> once I was testing a radio with no voice read out and just stumbled to
>> the
>> first signal I heard for a radio check, I was a new ham at the time, it
>> turned out to be this bunch in one of their calmer moments and they
>> treated
>> me very well. I'd be afraid to go back though now.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Colin McDonald" <[log in to unmask]>
>> To: <[log in to unmask]>
>> Sent: Monday, April 29, 2013 5:08 PM
>> Subject: Re: The Sideband War
>>
>>
>>> That is why I always laugh when some old time ham operator hears about
>>> 14.313 and goes on and on at great length about the state of ham radio
>>> today
>>> etc etc.
>>> It's been the same since the beginning lol...nothing changes really as
>>> far
>>> as people being people.
>>> No kids, no lids, no space cadets.
>>> I hear an awful lot of whining that the FCC and industry Canada aren't
>>> doing
>>> anything about the 14.313 crue...again, this is nothing new and for the
>>> most
>>> part they are left to their own devices because they're not really
>>> bothering
>>> anyone except themselves.
>>> If they cracked down on the 14.313 gang, they'd have to crack down on
>>> hundreds, maybe thousands of others on 75 and 80 who are just as bad.
>>> The thing is that those yahoos on 20M can be heard over a much bigger
>>> area
>>> than anyone doing the same on 75...so the low band yahoos don't get the
>>> notariety that the ve6kfm's of this world get lol.
>>> It's like this, if you go to a restaurant, and you don't like the food,
>>> or
>>> you think it's just awful, it doesn't mean all restaurants are awful,
>>> and
>>> it
>>> won't effect or somehow impact your favorite restaurant.
>>> If you don't like it, don't go there. It's not like the bad
>>> restaurant's
>>> food is going to somehow make it's way into your favorite dish at your
>>> favorite restaurant.
>>> The 14.313ers stay there and you never ever hear those guys on any other
>>> frequencies...and if you do, they're behaving themselves.
>>>
>>>
>>> 73
>>> Colin, V A6BKX
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Martin G. McCormick" <[log in to unmask]>
>>> To: <[log in to unmask]>
>>> Sent: Monday, April 29, 2013 2:54 PM
>>> Subject: Re: The Sideband War
>>>
>>>
>>>> I was still a SWL in the sixties and remember the
>>>> sideband war vividly. It was going on as late as 1968 and 1969
>>>> and had all the same trappings as what you hear on 14.313 today.
>>>>
>>>> There is a subset of amateur operators who think this is
>>>> somehow okay. Back then, they were jamming and cursing each
>>>> other over sideband versus AM and today, it is the same behavior
>>>> over Heaven knows what. It's hard to tell because it just kind
>>>> of goes on and on for no particularly good reason.
>>>>
>>>> The only thing I can say is that when they are all on
>>>> 14.313 or 3.850 making fools of themselves, they are off all the
>>>> other frequencies and life is more civilized there. Think of it
>>>> as kind of a dummy load. Many of them like to use big amplifiers
>>>> and, if they would all aim at the same patch of ionosphere, they
>>>> could possibly heat it up enough to open up ten meters or maybe
>>>> even 6.
>>>>
>>>> Anyway, the sideband war was just the excuse for rotten
>>>> behavior for that day. The same personality types really don't
>>>> need an excuse to be idiots so there will always be scoff-laws
>>>> who don't really understand what amateur radio is all about.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for a good bit of history.
>>>>
>>>> 73, Martin
>>>> "Ronald E. Milliman" writes:
>>>>> Re the Sideband war
>>>>>
>>>>> When sideband was first introduced, it was double sideband; that is,
>>>>> both
>>>>> sidebands were transmitted, but the carrier was suppressed. Thus, the
>>>>> signal still took up about the same bandwidth, but all of the
>>>>> transmitting
>>>>> energy was put in the audio component of the signal and not wasting
>>>>> power
>>>>> in the production and transmission of an unnecessary carrier.
>>>>
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