I'm not sure what you jmean by "that way"".  I have tuned band pass with 
the ifr in generate mode and an ht for years.  You get very close, and 
you then check through power as well as swr.  It works and I've done it 
without sighted help and a tracking generator for years.  I've done 
dozens of systems, both commercial and ham.  There is more than one way 
to do something and if you understand the theory and know how, you can 
make lots of things work.  I have had two specific instances where band 
pass band reject duplexers were tuned up by professional shops for our 
ham club in Vegas and done on latest motorola monitor.  When I fired 
everything up, had 25 watts into duplexer, 5 watts out and circulator 
dummy load was quite warm.  Does this tell you anything?  In both cases 
I had to do it my way, had very little loss through cuplexer and no miss 
match fed through circulator.  If you folks don't know about those I can 
explain later.  Latest and most expensive test equipment doesn't 
necessarily mean it is done right.  I have been in the two way business 
since 1968 and for many years didn't have much for test equipment, an 
old measurements 560 for a generator for example.  Got my ifr 1200 in 
1990 as I recall, a marvelous piece of equipment.
73
Butch
WA0VJR
Node 3148
Wallace, ks.


On Wed, 2 Jul 2014, John 
Miller wrote:

> Without the right test equipment you can barely get in the ballpark that
> way, I've seen a lot of damage done that way. As it happens, I'm friends
> with the majority of the local repeater tuners in the area and am constantly
> hearing stories of people who tried to tune cans that way or other ways that
> do nothing but get them in major trouble more often than not.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Colin McDonald" <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2014 10:41 PM
> Subject: Re: The mystery transceiver is identified!
>
>
>> yeah that all makes sense.
>> I would have thought an HT's receive selectivity would be far to wide to
>> properly tune a band pass can properly?
>> You could get it in the right ball park no doubt, but it would be
>> difficult
>> to find the center peak with a typical HT on FM.
>> Will the hampod speak signal generator output level in micro volts? IE, if
>> you want to check the sensativity of a receiver, you adjust the signal
>> generator down until you can no longer hear the 1K tone, then bring it up
>> a
>> hair until you just hear the tone through the open squelch...IE 0.18uV
>> etc?
>> Or if you are aligning/peaking the receiver in a repeater, can you quiery
>> the hampod to tell you what the signal generator out put is in UV so you
>> can
>> have a general starting point to see how much it needs to be peaked?
>>
>> 73
>> Colin, V A6BKX
>> --------------------------------------------------
>> From: "Butch Bussen" <[log in to unmask]>
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2014 5:31 PM
>> To: <[log in to unmask]>
>> Subject: Re: The mystery transceiver is identified!
>>
>>> Actually, the scop has a bunch of switches which don't do us much good.
>>> There are 4 main rotary switches, generate, receive dup, and dup-gen.
>>> Mode switch, fm, am ssb and so forth, and a range-mode switch for each
>>> meter.  Hope that makes sense.  Tone levels are set by pots, but
>>> deviation
>>> can be read on the meter with speech.  H T H.
>>> 73
>>> Butch
>>> WA0VJR
>>> Node 3148
>>> Wallace, ks.
>
>