I have "seen" these boats.  They are remarkable indeed.  As a matter of
fact, in Los Angeles where I live there are classes for blind sailing
(technically Marina del Rey).  Someday, I would like to do it.

-----Original Message-----
From: For blind ham radio operators [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
On Behalf Of Tom Fowle
Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2015 6:20 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: OT. sailboats for the disabled.

richard,
Actually there are several dingies designed for folks with no or little
lower body movement. puff and sip controls for the sheets and tiller and the
lot. Cost like sin though.
Tom Fowle WA6IVG
Past commodore BAADS the Bay Area Association of Disabled Sailors.

On Tue, Nov 10, 2015 at 12:35:45PM -0800, Richard B. McDonald wrote:
> Tom, now that is funny - a sailboat for the disabled! LOL! priceless
indeed!
> And, I think you are right on the painting matter too.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: For blind ham radio operators 
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> On Behalf Of Tom Fowle
> Sent: Monday, November 09, 2015 7:07 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: Using PVC as a Frame for My 10M Full Wave Loop Antenna
> 
> It might make sense to paint something expensive like the Steppir with 
> "EXPENSIVE" marine paint, but PVC is pretty cheap it'd probably be 
> cheaper to replace the pvc every couple years or so rather than use 
> marine paint on it.
> 
> Anything "MaARINE" is way expensive. like anything for the "DISABLED" 
> Gosh, think what they must charge for sailboats for the disabled! 
> Yeah, been there seen that!
> Just my not very humble opinion. <GRIN> Tom Fowle WA6IVG
> 
> On Mon, Nov 09, 2015 at 09:51:34AM -0700, Alan R. Downing wrote:
> > I haven't been following this thread, but if it hasn't already been 
> > suggested, I would suggest that you paint with some quality marine 
> > paint.  I know guys that want to extend the life of their SteppIr 
> > tubes use marine paint because it isn't bothered by the elements as 
> > much as regular outdoor paint would be.
> > 
> > HTH
> > 
> > Alan - N7MIT
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Alan R. Downing
> > Phoenix, AZ
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: For blind ham radio operators 
> > [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> > On Behalf Of Richard B. McDonald
> > Sent: Monday, November 09, 2015 7:48 AM
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Subject: Re: Using PVC as a Frame for My 10M Full Wave Loop Antenna
> > 
> > Yeah, Kent, painting is widely recommended.  Some sort of a latex 
> > paint is best I suppose especially since I will put the wire inside 
> > the PVC.  I guess it will come down to the cost differential between
> > 1) "Schedule 40" UV resistant PVC versus 2) non-UV resistant PVC 
> > plus the cost of the necessary paint.
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: For blind ham radio operators 
> > [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> > On Behalf Of Kent Plemmons
> > Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2015 11:12 AM
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Subject: Re: Using PVC as a Frame for My 10M Full Wave Loop Antenna
> > 
> > Hi,
> > 
> > Don't use the "black", that is not PVC but rather ABS.  When the sun 
> > hits ABS it will bow due to it being black and the side of the pipe 
> > that is directly exposed to the sun will expand causing a bow.  PVC 
> > that is gray is generally used as electrical conduit and offers some 
> > characteristic that greatly reduces static that might build up in a 
> > wire.  Pretty much any PVC will work but I personally would paint it.
> > 
> > Kent, KK4FFF, Clyde NC
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: For blind ham radio operators 
> > [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> > On Behalf Of Richard B. McDonald
> > Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2015 12:47 PM
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Subject: Re: Using PVC as a Frame for My 10M Full Wave Loop Antenna
> > 
> > Hi Tom!
> > 
> > thanks for this.  Right - "Schedule 40" PVC it shall be!  
> > Incidentally, is it grey?  Someone said to use the "grey" PVC for 
> > its UV resistance; and another member of this list said to avoid the 
> > "black" PVC for its carbon content.
> > 
> > As far as placement of the loop, I am planning just to place it atop 
> > my shack's roof.  The roof is flat with a ~3% slant, and ~13' high.
> > 
> > 73,
> > Richard KK6MRH
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: For blind ham radio operators 
> > [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> > On Behalf Of Tom Fowle
> > Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2015 5:44 PM
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Subject: Re: Using PVC as a Frame for My 10M Full Wave Loop Antenna
> > 
> > richard,
> > To clarify another post, you need to use "Schedule 40" pvc which is U.V.
> > resistant.
> > 
> > I'd think each segment of your loop won't be much more than 2 meters
long.
> > I'd kind of doubt you'll need reinforcemment  for that relatively 
> > small setup, but you could also use a few extra rope supports 
> > depending on how you're going to support the loop.
> > 
> > There shouldn't be any; issue with running the wire inside the pipe, 
> > except kind of a tangle while assembling everything on the long wire.
> > 
> > How do you plan to support the loop?
> > 
> > Tom Fowle WA6IVG
> > On Sat, Nov 07, 2015 at 05:14:52PM +0000, R Bernstein wrote:
> > > Use uv-resistant PVC.  Reinforce it inside with wooden dowels or 
> > > possibly 3=
> > > /4 inch PVC.
> > > 
> > > 73, Rick W3GWU
> > > ________________________________________
> > > From: For blind ham radio operators 
> > > [[log in to unmask]] on beha= lf of Richard B. McDonald 
> > > [[log in to unmask]]
> > > Sent: Saturday, November 7, 2015 9:11 AM
> > > To: [log in to unmask]
> > > Subject: Using PVC as a Frame for My 10M Full Wave Loop Antenna
> > > 
> > > Hi!
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > So, I am planning to make my RX only 10M (28.4 MHZ) full wave loop 
> > > antenna into an octagon shape.  My wire is insulated 14 gauge 
> > > stranded
> > copper wire.
> > > I intend to use ~1.0" diameter PVC pipe for a frame.  About PVC 
> > > pipe, does it matter if I 1) put the wire inside the pipe or 2) 
> > > tape it to the outside of the pipe?  I prefer putting the wire 
> > > inside the
> pipe.
> > > However, are ther= e any RF interference issues with PVC?  Also, I 
> > > wonder how PVC will hold-up t= o the elements - particularly UV 
> > > light (sunlight)?
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 73,
> > > 
> > > Richard KK6MRH