In a message dated 4/5/2002 2:44:11 PM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask]
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> You're avoiding the issue again.  Zionism is about creating a Jewish
> state.  You claimed that Jewishness did not imply a religious
> affiliation, but only a cultural one.  That would mean a person could be
> a Jew *and* a Catholic, or a person could be a Jew *and* a Muslim.
> Since a person can not be both a Jew and a Catholic,

I am not avoiding the issue-- you just still don't get it. You say above that
Zionism is about creating a Jewish state. But Zionism was not created, nor
does it operate along religious lines, but nationalist lines. Zionism is
JEWISH NATIONALISM. Zionism does not create a "Jewish state", but a ZIONIST
STATE. Thus, you can be a Jew and a Zionist, a Jew and an anti-Zionist, a
Zionist an a Christian. Some Uncle Tom Palestinians also espouse Zionism, by
the way.

I am not going to explain this again.


or both a Jew and a
>
> Muslim, if a person is Jewish he is a member of the Jewish religion.
> Then since zionism intends to create a Jewish state, zionism violates
> the strong interpretation of principle of separation of church and
> state, at least in spirit if not explicitly, regardless of whether the
> constitution of Israel specifies Judaism as the state religion.

If you confine Zionism strictly to the realm of abstract ideas, Zionism can
be any damn thing you please. But the reality, today, is that Zionism is an
imperialist mechanism under the aegis of a bourgeois-democratic SECULAR
state. If you do not believe me, then you are failing to witness what's
occuring in Israel RIGHT AT THIS SECOND. And if you can't see what's going on
in Israel right now, you never will.

Hoping for something different,
David