Rex:
>If you're cooking string-bean beans, you first soak out some of the
>anti-enzyme factors and *DISCARD* the water.  I have to say that with double
>emphasis because I keep encountering people who figure ways to 'save' the
>nutrients (truly anti-nutrients) for some other purpose.  Let me say that a
>bit clearer: DISCARD ALL SOAK WATER!

Tom:
I agree that the soak water from seeds should not be consumed by humans.
However, it is great for plants. Instead of pouring it down the drain,
give it to your plants - they love it (it may contain plant growth
hormones like gibberelic acid).

Rex:
>It wouldn't surprise me to find that many who have failed on all-raw diets
>later found where they were regularly consuming anti-nutrients that messed
>things up.  Is this entirely separate from those who may have got poor results
>from eating poor quality food?  I don't know, but I have a strong suspicion
>that low-quality in any particular food item doesn't just mean a lack of
>nutrients---it also means more abundant toxicity.

Tom:
As one who tried fruitarianism under nearly ideal conditions: warm
climate, regular sunshine and exercise, and food of incredibly high
quality (most organic, the rest unsprayed, most food grown in the high mineral
content soil of Merritt Island, Florida), the serious problems I experienced
on the fruitarian regime suggest that the currently popular "low quality
food" excuse is nothing more than a weak rationalization advanced by folks
who will grasp at anything to retain their idealistic (and false) fruitarian
dogma. Fruitarianism is a failure because it is far beyond the range of
diets that we are adapted to by evolution (and the claims of certain
fruitarian advocates that we evolved as fruitarians, are nothing more
than bogus crank science).

Tom Billings