----- Original Message -----
From: matesz <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Thursday, September 23, 1999 9:04 PM
Subject: Re: [P-F] cholesterol test


> Now some of you may take offense at this (this time, I have my asbestos
suit
> in the read,y but I don't like wearing it!!!), so if you don't agree,
fine.
> I'm not making any blanket recommendations, just offering Don's and my 2
> cents worth here.  Take it or leave it. Okay?  :-)
>
> Mary asked about cholesterol tests "And should I get a complete lipids
test?
> Any other relevant tests that could tell about our health status?
>
> Don:  I don't know what my cholesterol level is and don't really care.  I
> don't think I've ever had it tested.  Anyway, that wouldn't tell me a
thing
> about my health status.  People have been duped.

Wow, do you mean cholesterol doesn't tell you everything- that's amazing
;-)-

>
> Rachel:  I had my cholesterol checked once, when I was 21 and it was
108!!!
> Was I impressed?  Yes.  Should I have been?  No!!!  I was very vegan, very
> fatigued, overweight/overfat, not menstrating, not making female hormones,
> and not well at all.  Have I had it tested since then?  (I'm 34 now.)  No.
> Do I care too, not really.  We don't even go to doctors or get annual
> physicals.   We play doctor to eachother!  Seriously--herbs, therapeutic,
> massage, good food, TLC!  (Okay, we have gone to accupuncturists,
> Naturopathic docs, homeopathic docs, etc. when we lived in states where
> those things were LEGAL.)  No tests by medical doctors can accurately
"tell
> you" if you are healthy.  People live in bodies, not test tubes and petri
> dishes.
>
Yeh, they're all great guys, know everything, cure everything, never
overservice, never afraid to admit when they're stumped. Happy to do house
calls, night calls and see the poor for free. Wanna buy a bridge?

I'd have to agree that a really healthy diet such as paleo is likely to give
you better protection, but gee you could be sitting on a genetic time bomb
and have a really ginormous cholesterol (then you'be up the ol' brown
creek).



> Example:  My father in law has felt like utter dog do-do (I'm being
polite)
> for years.  Every year he goes to the doctor, complains of fatigue and
other
> related ails and the doctor gives him a "clean" bill of health, says he's
> fine.  You can look at him, talk to him, and look into their medicine
chest
> (no degrees, letters, needed) and see that he is NOT HEALTHY.  I think
we've
> been duped into thinking that Modern Medicine and it's invasive, often
> untested tests will tell us if we are OK.  Humans got to this point in
> history without all that stuff.... and were a lot healthier too.
>
Ask any doctor, and they'll tell you that you're right - if you like S
you're probably unhealthy. But what can a poor quack do - sell the man a
whole bunch of useless herbs or massage or aromatherapy- how about a
bullshit poultice? WHy don't you put the poor man on a paleodiet- that's
about the only thing that might really work. Though, mind you maybe the man
could get a second opinion- most people with ftigue have an underlying
health problem suchas sleep apnoea.

Ah, I'm blowing hot and cold, I'll never make a good flamer. Maybe you could
learn to be a bit more open minded and less perjorative. You are in fact
prejudiced against doctors and you think that makes you special- but it
doesn't.

What's the difference between agood therapist and a bad therapist ?
(doctors, naturopaths, homeopaths, golf-tutors). I'd have to say that after
many years of thinking aobut it that the best answer I can come up with is
empowerment- IF the therapist is trying to empower you, then the
relationship is therpaeutic- you will grow, the therapist is helping to give
you back control over your life. Anyone have better test.



> Okay, off my high horse.
> Rachel