Kirt wrote:

>FWIW, you would likely be disgusted by the mess left by predators, some of
>which seem to kill simply to kill and do NOT eat what they kill.

I'm somewhat disgusted by that, but is there any reason that WE AS
THINKING
BEINGS should cause any more pain to other sentient beings than is
necessary?

I'm not satisfied that keeping chickens in cages for their whole lives
is
necessary, and I KNOW that the way chickens are de-feathered in
conventional
farming is not necessary. (I've never visited a poultry farm myself
but
according to information I had gotten from what I believe to be
reliable
animal welfare sources, as well as video footage, defeathering is done
by
something like dipping into boiling water to loosen the feathers while
these
creatures are still very alive and can feel pain.  If anyone knows
differently, believe me I am the first person that would want to
know.)  I
would really like to know if this is done differently in organic
free-range
poultry farming.

>For any poultry farmer to let predators have their way with a poultry
>population is not very wise economically--or very "kind" to their birds.
>The birds raised on the "different view every day" method are clearly
>superior to force-fed >poultry, which is pretty much all that is often
>available in supermarkets.

So are you saying that there is NO OTHER WAY to protect a poultry
population from predators than by keeping them in cages 24 hours a
day?

>As for "stimulation", you are mistaken that there is no stimulation in
>a caged pasture operation. You may be disgusted all you care to, but
>I suspect that you have enclosed yourself in a cage without the
>"stimulation" of random biting insects, cold, moisture, and opted
>instead for onlinestimulation and the oportunity to share your disgust
>with a worldwide audience.

FYI, your suspicions are wrong.

Anju