Sorry for the confusion that i brought to you

Alan wrote

>Hi Jean-Louis (Ingrid Bauer?)

My name is Jean-claude and i
am writing under the name of Ingrid Bauer, my wife. Jean-louis is somebody
else.
>
>> >
>> >My guess is that a raw vegan has fewer choices, since the
>> >diet is limited to things that taste okay, and are not
>> >problematic, when raw. This would probably exclude things
>> >like collards, kale, dandelion greens, nettles, mustard
>> >greens, lots of other bitter-tasting green leafy vegetables.
>> >And most likely members of the cruciferous family (broccoli,
>> >brussel sprouts) if the person is shopping at a normal
>> >grocery store where these vegetables will typically be
>> >pretty bitter without cooking (dare I say it - low brix).
>> >And they are not eating some of the tougher starchy tubers,
>> >or squashes. And they're not eating legumes. Or grains.
>> >
this message was from lisa and i was reponding to her like you do in the
following

>Your guess is right to a small degree and wrong to a large
>degree (at least from our point of view). A successful raw
>vegan can not live on shop bought veggies and not even the
>common shop veggies when organically grown. As you rightly
>say, all grains (including seeds) and legumes are out. The
>only veggies which I grow organically in my own garden are
>Jerusalem artichokes, carrots, red and green peppers,
>tomatoes, Lamb's lettuce and Brussels sprouts. All the
>former, apart from the red and green peppers and tomatoes,
>are winter food sources. Below is a list of the wild plants
>which are available in Germany (except from November to
>February when the winter veg plus sprouts and nuts, as well as
>fruits from Orkos etc. are eaten). All veggies and wild
>plants are eaten with cold-pressed salad oils (which makes
>the more bitter leaves...not really more bitter than common
>salad leaves..much more palatable..dare I say delicious?).
>
>> >(Whether or not any of the above-mentioned foods are
>> >beneficial, or toxic, in either their raw or cooked forms is
>> >another question, but in any case they are certainly not
>> >_palatable_ when raw).


lisa again wrote that pararaph and you answered to her..

>Is that a statement of fact or merely you own poor, uniformed
>opinion coupled perhaps with untrained taste buds?
>
i wrote the following on
>> I understand that in the practice of raw vegan, it is often true that
such
>> greens ( the ones you named) are not eaten very often. But this might
have
>> little to do with the greens themselves,
>
>You understand correctly in our case.
>
>>  i am myself,  very attracted to strong tasting green and i prefer
dandelion
>> and chicorees to organic lettuces ,  I prefer a bolted lettuce to a
normal
>> one, too..
>
>So am I. Once you start regularly eating the stronger tasting
>leaves all the others taste somehow "stale and diluted".
>
>> I n my vegetarian days i was eating huge amounts of cabbages in salad
>>  almost every other day ,  all varieties of the cabbage family)
>
>You must have been farting like a king! ;-)
>
>> and i stay 3
>> months with  a group of raw foodists and they were very much enjoying
>> brocoli stems
>> >
>I don't eat them they also make me fart. OTOH, I like raw Brussels
>sprouts after the first frosts (and they also make you fart).

i didn't notice the farting for me or my friend with cabbage, but i remember
farting alot when i first started to eat instinctivelly with too much
fruits.

>> I just come from a walk with my son (2 years old raw food eater) and his
>> little friend ( 4 months older cooked food eater) and  we all enjoyed
eating
>> nettles shoots ( i prechew for them so they don't get stung ) All
together
>> we ate something like 25 terminals buds with 2 leaves unfolded, quite a
bit.
>> the palatability of such plants  depends on the availability of thoses
and
>> how often we try them (one bad experience with them should not be
>> generalised for ever)
>
>IMO...young nettles don't taste all that good "neat" but they certainly
>are delicious in a salad with diced nuts and a good cold-pressed
>oil (I hate olive oil BTW).
>
don't say that to my son he might start to think that nettles are not good
by themselves, now with all his innocence., he is truely enjoying them on
the spot ( i don't bring the bottle of oil when i am hiking so he is
deprived of all the "good things")

>> i read that north americans have, something like, ( not sure of the
numbers)
>> 90%  of their plant diet coming from 12 plants.
>> Natives from here (BC) were using something like 300 differents plants as
>> food.
>> Quite a difference anyway ( if the numbers are not right)
>> So for sure when one switch to a raw vegan and eliminate some foods
because
>> palatable in quantity,  only cooked. One might ends with not that much
>> choices in its plate.
>
>Exactly...and the reason why uninformed raw foodists generally
>fail.
>
>> I will recomend any candidate to raw vegan to widen its choice of food
big
>> time to have a chance to make such diet sustainable.
>
>Didn't quite understand that.

How can i say diferently?i will say to a person wanting to be raw vegan, at
least if you want to stick to plant foods , eat way more variety of plants
that you can think is possible to eat and eat as many diferents parts of
plants that you can( fruits ,seeds, leaves, buds, shoots, flowers,
pollen,roots, tubers, stems , inner barks,saps and tiny residents  on or
inside plants( bacterias to insects eggs or larvas) so you can have a chance
to maintain a plant only diet .

>> For example north america have lot of available wild tubers  or roots in
its
>> flora ( like jerusalem artichoke, apios,  salsifis or camas who can be
>> delicious raw and replace potatoes easely, they can be easely cultivated
>> too )
>>
>Jerusalem Artichoke (the white tubers rather than the smaller, striped
>reddish ones) are a dream and really make you "glow inside".
>
>> Coming from europe i have been shoked by the limited choice of plant
foods
>> available in store ( beside squach potatoes carrots celery cabbages
lettuce
>> and tomatos there is not much more)


>Surprises me that France doesn't have more than that, Germany
>certainly does.
>

sorry again i was talking about north american store in comparaison with
french markets( as varied than german ones i suppose ,may be even more
because of a bigger range of climates)Now with europe i have a sense  that
the variety is going to disappear and it is going to become more
conveniantly uniformised and poor in choice. It is true?

>Here's a list of edible wild plants in Germany (most of which I
>have tasted and make use of)
>Alan

Thanks you very much , now i have lot of work to do to put names on what i
am harvesting here. ( i often try plants without knowing them by names)
Jean-claude