IT is may be time to realise that there is no such thing as a fact, there is
only different  or similar perspectives on REALITY.  At the most, a fact,
is a shared interpretation of one can perceive.The attempt of scientists to
prove an hypothesis to make it a fact is no more than begging the other
peoples to join in their belief...
It is like we were in a house looking at different window, each one of us us
trying to prove the reality of what we see to others. It is unlikely that
one point of view is better because it is necessarely a  limited and
incomplete perception of the outside world . If that perception doesn't
agree with the perception of the neighbour , what is the purpose of trying
to convince the other that my view is what it is? Is it a tentative to have
my experience of viewing the world from that window validated ? Is it going
to satisfy me, to have somebody joining with me at that window and realising
that even in that situation he or she doesn't see the same way, and might
notice different things. Could it be that looking at the world through
DIFFERENT windows, has a purpose? Would it be more satisfying to have my
picture completed by what others see,? SHARING the experience of observing
might be more rewarding for everybody.--
Could it be more Rich to all jump through the windows and BEING in the world
together, EXPERIENCING instead of comenting from our respective balconies
about witch view is right.?
PROVING FACTS is useless to me > I am interested by what other people
experience , because i am not interested to justify my  own experiences.
IT is a challenge  for me ,on that list to have a sense of what the
writers's experiences are>
Jean-claude

>Alan:
>> >The theory behind fruitariansm as
>> >laid down by the NH founders still remains sound
>
>Kirt:
>> Prove it or retract it, Alan.
>
>While I respect your motives here, Kirt, I have to say that such an
>approach is unrealistic.  While there is support aplenty for all
>sorts of things, there is proof for precious few.  Isn't it enough
>to realize that anytime someone states something as fact, it is some-
>thing that they believe and that there is therefore an invisible "In
>my opinion" in front of it?
>
>If people on this list could only make statements for which they had
>proof, the list would quickly cease to exist.
>
>Even if everyone on this list were to support every single statement
>with all sorts of references to books and scientific papers, would
>we really be much better off?  Especially with all the sloppy and/or
>unethical science being done out there, a published opinion isn't
>necessarily better than an unpublished one.
>
>Perhaps it would help if we could put together, along with the FAQ,
>an FRD (Frequently Referenced Documents) containing a recommended
>reading list from each list member who cares to submit one.
>
>Carol