At 9:10 AM -1000 2/20/99, Forest wrote:

[ hi axel, are you familiar with tantric concepts? for me it means refining how
[ i use sexual energy. i see the union of male and female has
spiritual value as
[ well as physical pleasure and that to learn to control our physical urges may
[ enhance our holistic evolution. for me this involves attempting to avoid
[ ejaculation and orgasm.

Hi Forest - at the risk of turning this mailing list into a sister
forum of tantra.com, would you expand on this elimination of orgasm /
ejaculation? My limited understanding of male tantra gave me the
impression that the primary concept was to consciously separate the
ejaculatory response from orgasm and that the sexual energy instead
could be channelled to the head center to build up a series of
"valley orgasms" (kinda hard to explain but I think you know what I'm
getting at). Anyway, isn't the male orgasm experienced but in a way
which allows extended love-making? Or is it considered redundant, in
tantra, to differentiate orgasms by gender?

Also, do you feel that a raw vegan dietary is influential /
beneficial towards tantric practices?

Aloha (though I'm nowhere near the Hawai'ian archipelago)