Hi Jean-Louis,

> Hi Alan,
>
> JL:
> > > [Sorry for my delayed response, but I have been away for one week (in
> > > Münster, Germany). BTW, I visited two large libraries, but couldn't
> > > find Franz Konz's book.
>
> I realize I should have said "bookstores" instead of "libraries": sorry.
>
> Alan:
> > Yes..and you are claiming that rennin is not needed at all. So you
> > must also be claiming that most Africans (indigenous black
> > Africans), who certainly produce enough trypsin and pepsin (they
> > couldn't survive otherwise) have no problem with milk at all.
>
> Well, they certainly have a problem with lactose, which by itself is a
> good reason not to drink more than very moderate quantities of milk (I
> am not talking about other forms of dairy). As for the rennin, I think
> I prefer to leave the discussion here, until I learn more about the
> subject or see a study comparing the absorption rate of calcium from
> milk in indigenous Africans to that in Scandinavians.
>
> Alan:
> > there is also the age old NH argument that milk is severely deficient
> > in iron (and that feeding an infant cows milk is asking for
> > trouble).
>
> I think most of us agree that mother's milk is better than cow's milk
> for many reasons, but adults getting iron from other sources (e.g. red
> meat) have no risk of deficiencies. Of course, there is an age old NH
> belief that meat is toxic, but iron can be found in plants as well
> (although in less bioavailable form).
>
>
You should also take a look at that site www.notmilk.com as someone
in here recently suggested. There are many links to various research
projects in there as well.

And on the subject of meat protein, perhaps the following may
interest you. I am certainly not an avid fan of Nutrition News
Focus (they often purport rubbish) but this article merely describes
recent research findings:

March 19, 1999
NUTRITION NEWS FOCUS

"Nutrition news is important.  We help you understand it!"

Today's Topic: Low Protein Diet Postpones Dialysis

A strict low protein diet for kidney failure patients can delay
dialysis treatment for about a year, according to a recent study at
Johns Hopkins University published in the January 1999 issue of the
Journal of the American Society of Nephrology. It can be found at
http://www.wwilkins.com/JASN/1046-66731-99p110.html.  This finding is
in sharp contrast to current medical practice, which is to start
dialysis earlier and earlier in people with end stage renal disease.

The 76 people in this study were given diets high in fruits,
vegetables, and essential amino acid supplements, but low in meat,
fish, poultry, cheese and milk.  Although their kidneys were failing,
patients in this study were able to postpone dialysis for about one
year beyond what was expected.  But the range was from one week to
almost four years.  Diabetic patients did as well as nondiabetics.
In this study, predialysis mortality was only 2.5 each year compared
with 24 per year among patients already on dialysis.

HERE'S WHAT YOU NEED TO KNOW:  Because this is the first study that
gave the results described here, the dietary approach should only be
considered experimental.  This is very encouraging, but larger
numbers of patients need to be studied over a period of years before
a definitive recommendation about this dietary approach to kidney
failure will become a general recommendation.  This will remain
controversial because compliance to the diet was a problem for many
people.


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