Lynton Blair wrote:
>
  When this goes counter to the experience of those that
> have been before, these people are generous enough to devote some not
> inconsiderable effort in attempts to put others on a safer, healthier track.
> This makes this list one of the few I've found that does NOT support dogma
> for the sake of promoting an idea/ideal.

i agree, as you can see i like to get into a debate over issues, i learn that
way, i just see all this put down vibe as a lotta wasted polarized energy. i
think we can keep each other in check fine by being assertive about our
opinion as opposed to agressive or a putdown of someone elses opinion. not a
big deal i guess, i just feel it will put interesting people off sometimes and
is not my idea of a gentlemans/womans debate or discussion. it's really not
necessary just a habit from paleo days some seem stuck with. perhaps some
others can tickle them enough to lighten up a bit.
>
> I'm not an expert, but wheat bran contains phytates that prevent the
> absorbtion of minerals (such as calcium) and is thought by some to actually
> drain away minerals from the body.

i had a hair test analysis awhile back and was surprised to see calcium levels
normal despite the fact that i don't eat much high calcium food. i would like
to find a substitute for wheat bran that i can grow myself. the store bran can
be old, rancid, or have bugs so it would be nice to find a replacement some
day. i am such a creature of habit, i am aware of doing a lotta unhealthy
things, like sitting in front of this computer.

> Rather than suggest a "better bran", I suggest you take the feeling that you
> want to stuff as an indication that you need something more nutritious.
> (I've been there).

i appreciate your suggestion, but i think i know the self well enough to know
why i eat bran as a stuffer, it seems you glossed over it perhaps. i am
filling up on bran because i am a hermit and feel empty without an extended
tribal family. in the past for brief periods i have experienced a tribal
family, during those periods my oral fixations dissapated and i ate less and
felt better, mostly fruit.
>
> >>
> >> >how many years did you try fruitarianism
>
> well, I started with a raw juice regime that included two or so  cups of
> barley-grass-juice and a couple of pints of carrot juice per day.  This
> lasted maybe 12 months.  I lost alot of flab, and had reasonable strength
> and vitality.  For some reason or another I got attracted to the idea of
> eating all fruit, thinking that if I ate enough that I would get enough
> protein.  Did I eat alot of fruit (all organic, most certified).  This
> lasted about 3 to 4 months, the weight just kept falling.  When I got down
> to 130 pounds I knew there was something wrong with this diet.  ( Why I had
> to wait so long I don't know).  The day I had my first real food, I never
> looked back.  But its been a slow process.

it sounds to me like you ate too much fruit and didn't consider all the other
factors related to health and jumped to conclusions like so many others seem
to do. also 3-4 months is not very long to test something but if you were
eating lots of fruit it's probably best you backed off. it may not always be
that fruit is the culprit, there are so many variables and factors to health
that i think we are all jumping to conclusions to support our theories and put
down others. i like this list because of it's range of diets and ideas.
i think it's good to be humble enough to see that all this rheteric on various
diets has not produced any examples of super health that are obvious
improvements over say a moderate psyclogically well balanced S.A.D. eater.
>
> What I'm saying is that if a person is adequately nourished, they can cope
> with psycological matters better.

i agree
>
> And do you wonder how it is that a person can suffer great physical pain,
> yet when its over they carry on with life "as usual"?  If someone breaks a
> leg or something when they are young and the injury recovers properly, they
> don't go limping thru life or overeat because once they had that experience.

i don't know what yer point is here, perhaps you missed my point about how
stress, psychological problems and childhood traumas contrubute to oral
fixations and or eating disorders to one degree or another. for example most
people born in my age(baby boomer) were born in hospitals and taken away from
mother immediately after birth. that alone is an oral trauma. breatfeeding
immediately after birth is a crucial bonding time, in my mind without it can
be perminant oral problems. there are many other unnatural traumas too
numerous to mention, but in my mind many of them affect our eating habits and
make testing different diets a challenge, since we may be offtrack from birth
on any diet due to overconsumption etc. until we resolve these issues with
supportive extended families and an abundant food and nature preserve all
diets may feel limiting or less than ideal.
>
> I'm not discounting ones emotional environment (internal or external, for
> they do affect each other), but I wanted to point out that, given whatever
> my past, if I am healthy on one diet and not on another then maybe its not
> my immediate past that has much to do with it (the past that counts in this
> regard is more likely that of my ancestors ancestors....). AND if I'm
> healthy, I can cope with emotional issues better.

i see your point here and it makes some sense to me.
>
> How long have you been Fruitering, Forest?

i am about 70% fruitarian for about 10 years now. i also eat about a
tablespoon of spirolina, a teaspoon of kelp, couple teaspoons of nutritional
yeast, a teaspoon of braggs liquid aminos, and one juice coconut, plus one to
two cups of bran each day. the rest of the diet is mostly fruit. occasionally
when away from the farm i get hyped up and eat a junkier item, but not too
often anymore i know a lot of that has limitations, it's mostly a habit that i
haven't been able to refine lately. that's why i'm recruiting so heavy on
consensus extended family, i see it as my major health problem. each year i
have a better opportunity to check out fruit eating because after about 12
years i have a small fruit forest producing more variety and quantity.
>
>
> almost 100% organic, foods that are either highly benficial or neutral for
> my blood-type
>
> Lectins are proteins.  To quote from "Eat Right Diet" by Dr P. D'Adamo,
> "Lectins are a powerful way for organisms in nature to attach themselves to
> other organisms in nature.  Lots of germs, and even our own immune systems,
> use this superglue to their benefit. ... Often the lectins used by viruses
> or bacteria can be blood type specific, making them a stickier pest for
> people of that blood type.
> "So too with the lectins in food."

interesting, sounds to me like what i would call the mucus factor or albumin
factor. too much clogs things up and reduces water soluability and the flow of
nutrients to the cells, etc.
>
> Generally the body makes the enzymes it needs when it needs them, and enzyme
> diet theory holds that by consuming raw food, the dietary enzymes contribute
> to the vitality of the body.

sounds logical heard that before.
>
> Lectin diet theory shows how some foods enhance the immune system while
> others compromise it, and that the foods behave differently depending on the
> A-B-AB-O blood type of the eater.

i have heard about this also but haven't studied too much. don't know what
blood type i am.
>
> Dr D'Adamo (for 15 year) and his father (for 30 years)  have been reseaching
> and applying this method.
>
will try to study it sometime, thanks for sharing, i think i overreacted to
your opening statement to me when we first met.
>
> male: its the name of a village/naval base in Devon, England.  it means
> "village by the waterfall" I think.  My mother says its a very beautiful
> place ( or was when she saw it).
>
like the definition of yer name, what a pleasant thought.....aloha and peace.....forest