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Put'cher thinking cap on, and look for the value in the statements
he's made.

It's pretty easy to sit around harpooning politicians.
Also easy to indulge in "patriot bashing", U.S. bashing, etc....  try
to skip the parts that are easy, even for a college student, and
think a little deeper.

It's rare, is it not, to find a politician who is claiming to be
interested in disbanding the IRS and the illegal system of taxation?

And I fail to see how you get "follow this man down the free market
path" out of concepts such as the dissolution of the illegal Federal
Reserve system, and a return to Government issued cash?!
This is diametrically OPPOSED to the capital free market reign of
terror economy we have now.....  With it's integral component of the
welfare state....

By all means, critical thinking is necessary; note that does not mean
only to think up ways to criticize!

Unless you choose to be too intellectual to have any interest in
vulgar politics perhaps a little critical thinking WOULD be in order.

Idealistic political discussions can be very interesting, and I've
never lost my Utopian dreams...

However they're not going to do you any good if we are unable to act
upon them in the absence of the Good Housekeeping Seal of approval
Wobbly candidate for Congress.

If you want to boycott government altogether, either in denial of the
rapidly unfolding facist state, or in the hopes that "someone" will
do something about it before we are all powerless national ID card
holders or tatooed prisoners, it's your choice.....



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- -----Original Message-----
From:   DDeBar [SMTP:[log in to unmask]]
Sent:   Tuesday, December 23, 1997 4:48 PM
To:     [log in to unmask]
Subject:        Re: FW: An Important Recent Letter from Congressman RonPaul

Thank you. Im too busy to reply at the moment, but Alister's post
suffices.
Thanks for saving me the time.
I recognize that the right is fishing the left's pond, but that
doesn't
absolve us of the need for critical thinking, etc.; it rather makes
it all
the more necessary.
DDeBar

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> From: alister air <[log in to unmask]>
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: [CHOMSKY] FW: An Important Recent Letter from
Congressman
RonPaul
> Date: Tuesday, December 23, 1997 9:17 PM
>
> At 15:17 23/12/97 -0000, you wrote:
> >This is maybe a little too flag waving for my taste, but this guy
has
most
> of the right answers, & if he gets them from >his belief in the US
> constitution....  I don't mind.....I have a hard time understanding
how
it
> is that I find myself >agreeing with a right-wing (?) Congressman
and
> Texan, but........ please read.
>
> With respect to this post, I think the guy's a fruit loop whos
ideas
would
> be pretty much totally in contradiction to Chomsky's.
>
> We'll ignore for the moment that the entire post is pretty much a
call
for
> campaign contributions, and deal with the letter on its merits.
>
> Libertarian socialists tend not to put their faith in electoral
change,
as
> I understand it.  I could be wrong, of course.
>
> >We would have no welfare for big corporations, or the "poor"
>
> This person seeks an end to corporate welfare, which is good, but
at the
> cost of *all* welfare?
>
> >no attacks on private property
>
> No comment required.
>
> >That system is called liberty.  It's what the Founding Fathers
gave us.
> Under liberty, we built the greatest, freest, > most prosperous,
most
> decent country on earth.
>
> Which country is he talking about?  "Greatest" is a matter of
opinion,
> "freest" is debatable (it's free if you can afford to pay for the
freedom
- -
> something this guy should have learned by now), and as for "most
decent"
- -
> don't make me puke.
>
> >Just as important, we wouldn't have this endless string of booms
and
> busts, recessions and depressions, with each bust >getting worse.
They
> aren't natural to the free market; they're caused by the schemers
at the
Fed.
>
> While Chomsky talks about the "free market" and its non-existance
anywhere
> in the world, I think we can be safe in assuming that the sort of
free
> market this person is talking about contradicts somewhat with the
> libertarian socialist ideal.
>
> >I also work to save our schools from D.C. interference.  Thanks to
the
> feds, new curriculums not only smear the Founders >as "racist,
slave-owning
> elitists," they seek to dumb down our students so they will all be
equal.
>
> He also appears to be engaged in ancestor-worship - either that or
in
denial.
>
> >After all, the UN is socialist and corrupt (many votes can be
bought
with
> a "blonde and a case of scotch," one UN >ambassador once said).
>
> Corrupt, obviously, but socialist??
>
> >Not one dime for the UN, and not one American soldier!  Not in
Haiti,
not
> in Bosnia, not in Somalia, not in Rwanda.
>
> We all like this idea, I'm sure... as would the victims of US
soldiers or
> soldiers trained by US forces throughout the world.
>
> While there are a couple of things we can agree with in this
person's
> letter, the majority appear too scary.  The agreements we have are
on the
> surface, such as the US governemnt's interferance, curbing the
rights of
> its citizens and the like.  But people influenced by C
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