Hi Bob and all others,

Bo7b:
>Oops, my apologies to you, GCB, etc.  I shudda added: "  ;-)" My use of
>of "concentration camp" was only in jest.  Dr. Alan Goldhamer regularly
>refers to HIS fasting retreat with that term & I wrongly assumed my=20
>eaning was clear.  Yes, concentration camps are non-voluntary fasting
>retreats & Goldhamer's & Burger's are totally voluntary as far as I
>know.

Got it and will keep it in mind so feel free to use this expression
again. Dunno whether Burger's fast in prison is totally voluntary but
perhaps it is. ;-)

Bo7b:
>these proposed "laws".  Are you sure that no cartels allowed, no=20
>nsider information be usable at the stock exchange, no hidden prices,
>etc are real "crimes" (are there real "victims"?)?

Cartels: the customer of the companies forming the cartel is the victim.
He has to pay higher prices than he would have if the cartel didn't
exist.

Insider information: can be very near to fraud if you sell the shares
of the company you own because you know it's going down. And after sel-
ling you tell all other shareholders what's on.

Hidden prices: depending on the time your customer finds out about the
real price he has to pay, it is more or less a fraud. He would never
have contracted with you if he had known the real price before.

Bob:
>Gotta a brief desciption/definition of "consequential utilitarianism &
>"universal ethics"?  Ayn Rand worked out a complete philosophy from

Not too brief: Peter Singer: Practical Ethics; Cambridge: Cambridge
University Press, 1979.

Bob: (concerning labeling, using names)
>Are there other, better options?

Yes, IMHO: refraining from judging others permanently by using labels
and calling names. There is enough judgement in the world and it seems
is is created only by humans. No animal judges another for doing this
or that.
So - maybe judging others is non-instinctive??? :-)

Bo7b:
>So, by these definitions (does anyone find any of 'em incorrect?) USA
>is currently a Democratic Fabian Fascist state.  Ugly but accurate.
>:-(

Formal answer:
My dictionary says, fascism is a form of ruling, that is antidemocra-
tic and nationalistic. Therefore "democratic fascist state" is a con-
tradiction in itself.

Answer with more contents:
I doubt, that the U.S. or Germany (our government is also creating more
and more laws and regulations every year) are intending to be a fabian
state. What use would there be, especially if the people forming the
government also live under these rules and would risk to be accused for
more and more ridiculous causes?
For me it's pure fear and cowardice what our governments do. Some sort
of escapism: instead of    u s i n g   the existing laws they escape
into making more and more new ones.
And: there is a tendency to individualism in both, the german and
american society. This tendency doesn't stop when it comes to laws.
But individualism in laws means: more and more complicated rules, ex-
ceptions, etc.
And: if there would be more people using their freedom in a self-respon-
sible way and refraining from certain deeds there would be less need
for laws, police, public force, etc. Unfortunately our societys are
moving more and more to aggressive and destructive behavior, creating
the need for more control, laws, police, etc.
I guess, that it is the more and more destroyed food that creates all
this disorder - disordered food creates disordered behavior, in my
oppinion. (Pointer to Ellie: toxic minds!)

And there we are back to the actual topic of this list: food that has
its natural order preserved. The circle closes.

Best instinctive wishes,

Stefan