I have to say something - this is also a concept common in Taoist philosophy.
About ten years ago Mantak Chia wrote and taught extensively, had many classes and
books on this, and it is a part of Chinese medicine too.  In Chinese medicine the
idea is that something is lost that is connected with a man's life energy during
ejaculation, so that energy can be conserved by the man's separation of ejaculation
and orgasm.  Some of the secret Taoist exercises involved sexual training to teach
men to conserve their energies.  Part of the idea is that male orgasm should be
separated from ejaculation, since, if ejaculation is withheld then the orgasm is
much more pleasurable for the woman, and then later for the man because he can
"recharge" and have multiple orgasms rapidly.  This increases the emotional and
spiritual bond between the partners.  Then he is supposedly able to enjoy longevity
and higher energy as well as more intense and sustained sexual pleasure.  Whether
all of this is true,  I'm not sure.  I think parts are probably true.

Regards,
Roberta


Jo Yoshida wrote:

> At 9:10 AM -1000 2/20/99, Forest wrote:
>
> [ hi axel, are you familiar with tantric concepts? for me it means refining how
> [ i use sexual energy. i see the union of male and female has
> spiritual value as
> [ well as physical pleasure and that to learn to control our physical urges may
> [ enhance our holistic evolution. for me this involves attempting to avoid
> [ ejaculation and orgasm.
>
> Hi Forest - at the risk of turning this mailing list into a sister
> forum of tantra.com, would you expand on this elimination of orgasm /
> ejaculation? My limited understanding of male tantra gave me the
> impression that the primary concept was to consciously separate the
> ejaculatory response from orgasm and that the sexual energy instead
> could be channelled to the head center to build up a series of
> "valley orgasms" (kinda hard to explain but I think you know what I'm
> getting at). Anyway, isn't the male orgasm experienced but in a way
> which allows extended love-making? Or is it considered redundant, in
> tantra, to differentiate orgasms by gender?
>
> Also, do you feel that a raw vegan dietary is influential /
> beneficial towards tantric practices?
>
> Aloha (though I'm nowhere near the Hawai'ian archipelago)