Kirt:

>My Jacon died. :( Katuk is unknown to me. The rest of your list is OK,
>sometimes pleasant, but lame relative to fruit and RAF in general, to my
>buds. We now have some leafy stuff comin up in the garden that is tasty,
>but still it ain't rockin my world.

>I'm years away from exploring cooked foods systematically, but am puzzled
>by the relative unattractiveness of veggies overall. Either:

>1] They aren't so terribly important in large quantity after all (esp
>alongside RAF), or

>2] Something else

>I'm hoping for 1] but am curious about 2]

Kirt, recently I ate raw "wild" venison from New Zealand - perhaps you've
had some there.  I was struck by the magnitude of the meat.  It was so much
richer and more potent than cow has been, that I can remember.  I desired
to eat less of it, even though it was "better".  It was so rich I ate about
half of what I usually would with beef - I'll leave the weight out for
those who don't wish to know of my glutony (it was less than 5 pounds);-)
This got me feeling a lot, like learning to bow hunt.  But thoughts have
been stirred up, also but considering Bob Avery's claim that less, much
less is better.  Maybe the problem is that we are selecting from all these
hybridized foods.  Maybe the wild foods would satisfy us more.  Indeed,
we'd eat less because most wild fruit is less desirable, though maybe it
would be when we really needed it and we would be finding the veggies more
attractive, with our biochemestries not so altered by the high quantities
of hybridized fruit.  I remember Oregon blackberries - they were delicious,
but there was something about them.  Once the season got going, I could
only palate them in their most luminous - drop into my hand from a slight
touch.  If they were more or less than just perfect they were simply not
luminous.  Surely after a few days of not eating, usually less desired
foods would climb the ladder of desirability.  In our hunting and gathering
and going without more regularily this was likely the case, eh?

I do agree that I don't go for veggies like I think I ought to.  And, I
must admit that lately they're more attractive than ever.  Also, lets look
at the veggies we are presented - all these difficult to grow annuals that
would not likely far so well without irrigation, just right soils, no
competeition, and no canopy.  My dig into broccoli was more along these
lines also.  I think our original vegetable consumption came more from the
leaves of trees than anywhere.  Blah, blah, blah.

Z:
>>Have any of you read Adi Da a.k.a. Da Free John a.k.a. Franklin Jones?
>>He says some very potent things about raw foods, spirituality, and about
>>everything.  His phrase "lunch righteousness" is an image I grock.

K:
>Haven't met the Da Free John, but grocking sounds fun, I suppose...what
>might that mean? :) Can you share the image?

Grocking is a word from a Kurt Vonnegut book which basically means to
understand, but it's more gutteral and less intellectual.  It means I'm
down with it, to use another euphamism you might not know.

Lunch righteousness is what the NFL are currently best dramatizing.  I've
been a pro myself.  It is kind of like raving and snob nosing about what
kind of gas you use in your car, not noticing the fact that you cut people
off, space out behind the wheel, and hate driving.

Da Free John is a self-proclaimed, and validated by many many many people,
spiritual master, guru.  Even Ken Wilber thinks he's got the stuff.  He has
written over 50 published books, has a whole religious/cultural
organization surrounding him and his teaching.  He's an American, who has
become a Fijian citizen.  He lives on a island owned in trust by his
organization, with more inent devotees.

Among his books are Raw Gorrila and The Eating Gorrila Comes in Peace,
which go way beyond food, but include the right use and approach to diet in
spiritual practice, according to him.  I think he's basically spot on
bullseye about everything, except the way he manifests the guru-devotee
relationship.  His devotess, in general, are folks transfering mommy and
daddy on to him the single source.  The sad thing is that he's so
brilliant.  I've never had Darshan with him, but Deborah has and says he's
really really really got the juice.

I don't want to let the cat out of the bag, but I'll be integrating some of
his perspective in my up and coming Chet Day profile (Ward doesn't get all
the press:-))

That's all for now.

Happy to hear from you Kirt.  Maybe we will see each other :::::::::-)
Going to Hawaii Jan 22nd through Feb 26th.

Zephyr