>You cannot "balance" the consumption of a poison by also consuming a
>food.
Yes, indeed you can. Nutrition & health is not a science of absolutes
but one of balances and relationships. Besides poison is a relative
term. Too much of anything and you can die from it
>>How "bad" would killing be if you were able or willing to subtract
>>your emotional baggage from the subject?
>Why would I want to do this? Just to make you happy?
Because in the end it is the only test that really counts. A vegan that
is not ready to try RAF at least for a period of time is in my opinion
not willing to walk his talk. I think you are scared of doing the
experiment because you deep inside know that if you do, it will forever
change your outlook and that you realize that with all the emotional
baggage you have tied up with them you are just not ready to let go of
your vegan belief systems quite yet.
>>limits on the others, and you could end up slowly starving yourself.
>This seems unlikely to me.
Maybe "depleting your reserves" would have been a better choice of
words.
>>Furthermore, if you are feeling deprived and somewhat obsessed about
>>your diet, it might be difficult to have a good attitude & passion
>>for life, which IMO are equally important factors to health &
>>longevity.
>This body seems to get more lively and passionate on CR, more
>lethargic when eating as much as I want.
I have the same experience whenever I eat less, but my guess is that if
you start to feel lethargic it is a sign that we you not eating enough.
>>Again, if this was a legitimate concern one would expect mineral
>>problems among native peoples and yet the opposite seems to be the
>>norm.
>Native peoples do better than Modern Civilized Man, but they make
>plenty of mistakes too, and shorten their lives accordingly.
You might have a point. I would love to see some studies done on this
if it is already not too late and to find out exactly what these
mistakes are and how they manifest themselves. For example is poor
hygiene really the main reason that they so often succumb to infectious
diseases?
>>That is probably never going to happen. The planet is just too
>>overcrowded.
>Who says we have to stay on this planet?
One day our technology might be so advanced that we will be able to
colonize other planets, but unless we get help from some alien beings,
this will not happen in time to save this planet from its present woes.
>>Obviously it was advantageous for Homo Sapiens to
>>eat meat, yet you are proposing that even though our survival as a
>This is not obvious to me. Could you explain?
What I meant was that even when our ancestors were living in the trees
in the tropics off an abundant supply of fruits, they still ate some
meat. Why if not for the nutritional value? Scarcity and cold & hostile
climates were not issues back then.
>>What I find so healthy and refreshing about instinctos is that they
>>unlike vegans seem so devoid of any feelings of guilt, which is not
>I disagree; they seem to repress their guilt.
How will you determine the validity of this statement if you are not
willing to take a closer look at yourself and your inner motivations &
drives? It seems to me that you so far have only proved to have a
well-developed ability to project your own feelings of guilt on to
anybody who dares to seriously differ with you on this subject. What is
guilt anyway but an internalized critical voice telling the child in us
that we are "bad", when we try to fulfill our natural needs and is
hardly a standard by which decicions should be measured in adult life.
>>Bob, the only way you can really get
>>to the truth of the matter would be to confront your own feelings of
>>guilt and give RAF a real chance by eating liberal amounts of it by
>>for a while.
>I don't think so, Peter. Been there, done that. I ate liberal
>amounts of CAF for 40+ years, and I don't think it did me any good.
Along with lots of junk food too, I am sure. Besides, we are taking
RAF not CAF.
>I'd rather continue on my current low-RAF lifestyle (if it's OK with
>you). If you want good scientific data, you need controls. I'll be a
>control animal here.
Some solid anecdotal data from you will do just fine. ;-) Besides
where is your pioneer spirit?
>>But since there has never been a time in hominid development where
>animal foods did not play if just a small role in the diet, it would
>seem that they were also needed for their nutritional value.
>Really? You could make a similar statement by substituting the words
>"alcoholic beverages" for "animal foods." Would you still agree?
Come on that was a cheap shot. :-( Though, I do not think that a glass
or two of organic wine now and then will do any harm to speak of.
Cheers! :-)
Best, Peter
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P.S. Bob, In the all the catching up I forget to congratulate you on
your new job as NH M2M coordinator. I do not think that Ward could have
found somebody more well-suited than you to take on the task, and I
trust that you will lead the M2M to new heights of excellence.
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