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John Miller <[log in to unmask]>
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For blind ham radio operators <[log in to unmask]>
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Thu, 12 Nov 2015 18:55:36 -0500
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It's a lot less and a lot easier to deal with than some of the real new 
ones. Trust me, I've worked don cars all my life. We won't find anything as 
simple as the racecars I used to work on and still do sometimes on the road, 
but at least this one I can work on, the last one there was no room and it 
was all electronics way over my head. this one I can work on and I'm glad of 
that.

-----Original Message----- 
From: Frank Ventura
Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2015 5:36 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: accessibility of appliances

Even on a 91 Lumina you still have the ECM for the multiport fuel injection=
, the ICM for the ignition, and the CCM for the instrumentation at a minimu=
m.=20
Its hard to really get away from electronics in vehicles.

-----Original Message-----
From: For blind ham radio operators [mailto:[log in to unmask]] =
On Behalf Of John Miller
Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2015 12:28 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: accessibility of appliances

I'm not saying any but the less computers and stuff the better. Right now w=
e have a 1991 Lumina and there's not much to it.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Frank Ventura" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2015 11:21 AM
Subject: Re: accessibility of appliances


> If you are seriously looking for a vehicle without any solid state=20
> electron=3D ics you are going to need to set your time machine for the=20
> very early 70s o=3D r earlier.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: For blind ham radio operators=20
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> =3D
> On Behalf Of John Miller
> Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2015 9:22 AM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: accessibility of appliances
>
> It's funny, now that we're on a budget here that no one could actually=20
> live=3D on while I job search, anyone knows of anything anywhere in the=20
> country le=3D t me know moving is looking better every day, a anyway, I=20
> find us leaning t=3D oward older cars now. They're cheaper and cheaper=20
> to fix yes but I'm findin=3D g no matter what we get for a family car,=20
> older and less features is what I=3D want because my old repair and=20
> diagnostics methods work without needing to=3D put it on a scanner or=20
> something, anything goes wrong I can diagnose it by=3D sound or what=20
> ever in the driveway and with not as many features,I can fix=3D it and=20
> less can go wrong. The current one I had to replace most of the bra=3D=20
> ke lines in because it sat so long, no antilock brakes module to deal=20
> with =3D was very nice and all straight clean runs.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jim Gammon" <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2015 1:09 AM
> Subject: Re: accessibility of appliances
>
>
>>I read that book a while back.  I think it's rather humorous that =20
>>one=3D20 of the only cars still working was an Edsole, yup, no  computer=
=20
>>crapola=3D20 interface, just a carburator and spark plugs.
>> The thing is that the Coppel book is Real! Jim
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Curtis Delzer <[log in to unmask]
>> To: [log in to unmask]
>> Date sent: Wed, 11 Nov 2015 20:44:41 -0800
>> Subject: Re: accessibility of appliances
>>
>> or, "one second after," where it is an EMP that does it.  and=20
>> then,=3D20 his sequel, "one year after" published by William Forstchen=20
>> which is=3D20 not as fanciful as it sounds.
>>
>> At 06:37 PM 11/11/2015, you wrote:
>> Well Jordan, it sounds like we might all be forced in to buying=3D20=20
>> Iphones or androids if in fact they have app's to control our=20
>> washers=3D20 etc.
>> Boy, that's
>> scary, the internet of Things.  I am reading a book by Ted Coppel=3D20=20
>> called
>> Lights Out where he  discusses   a cyber attack that will take
>> down the
>> electrical grid.  Very interesting and thought provoking, Jim
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Jordan Gallacher
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2015 5:45 PM
>> To: [log in to unmask]
>> Subject: Re: accessibility of appliances
>>
>> It's definitely a problem that I do not know of any solutions to=20
>> since=3D20 quite a few appliances have gone to either a flat panel for=20
>> the=3D20 controls or a touchscreen.  I have heard of a few that do have=
=20
>> apps to=3D20 be able to control them, but I cannot say anything other=20
>> than that=3D20 since I have never tried any of them.
>> Jordan
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: For blind ham radio operators
>> [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
>> On Behalf Of Jim Gammon
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2015 7:30 PM
>> To: [log in to unmask]
>> Subject: accessibility of appliances
>>
>> Yup, right you are about washers and dryers, at least our new=20
>> front=3D20 loading ones.  I can start ours, but that's all.  I have=20
>> been meaning=3D20 to contact the manufacturer about accessibility=20
>> features, such as=3D20 markings etc, but have not done so.  I bet there=
=20
>> aren't any.  Even=3D20 when you go into most stores to check out stuff=20
>> it's non-operative and=3D20 the sales people have no idea what you are=20
>> asking about.  I will make=3D20 myself a note to ask about accessibility=
.
>> 73, Jim
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: John Miller <[log in to unmask]
>> To: [log in to unmask]
>> Date sent: Wed, 11 Nov 2015 20:09:32 -0500
>> Subject: Re: Accessibility of APRS?
>>
>> Someone I dog sit for now and then, also a ham but anyway, last time=20
>> I=3D20 was there I tried to use his washing machine.  If you set it=20
>> and=3D20 forget it you only need to hit the start button and the power=20
>> button I=3D20 think.
>> If you
>> change modes or anything, water temperature, none of the controls=20
>> stop=3D20 they just spin for ever, with clicks at the settings but bump=
=20
>> it with=3D20 the power button off it will spin but not change anything=20
>> so you can't=3D20 mark it or anything.  I'm glad I have the old style=20
>> but I'm sure no=3D20 matter how many times I fix it, it won't last forev=
er.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Jim Gammon
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2015 7:33 PM
>> To: [log in to unmask]
>> Subject: Re: Accessibility of APRS?
>>
>> Yes, right you are.  We once got one of those dumb coffee makers and=20
>> I=3D20 took it back because it was not very accessible.  My greatest=20
>> pet=3D20 peeve is that technology can be so liberating and because of=20
>> the=3D20 idiots who make much of it don't consider putting in some=20
>> simple=3D20 beeps, or even speech, things that should or could be more=20
>> accessible=3D20 often wind up being unusuable for blind folks.  Ok,=20
>> down off my soap=3D20 box.  Well, one last thing, let's hear it for=20
>> Universal Design! Jim=3D20 WA6EKS
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Jim Shaffer <[log in to unmask]
>> To: [log in to unmask]
>> Date sent: Wed, 11 Nov 2015 15:15:15 -0600
>> Subject: Re: Accessibility of APRS?
>>
>> Eric, getting all our blind friends to become hams wouldn't do it=3D20=20
>> either.
>> For example, look at all the products that are not accessible, for=3D20=
=20
>> example, the Keurig 2.0 coffee brewers.  Are there even any=20
>> accessible=3D20 new Sirius/XM radios?
>> --
>> Jim, ke5al
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Eric Oyen
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2015 1:42 PM
>> To: [log in to unmask]
>> Subject: Re: Accessibility of APRS?
>>
>> actually, there is a way.
>> method 1: use a concurrent table that contains columns for station=20
>> ID,=3D20 =3D3D LAT, LONG, DIrection of travel, Velocity, etc.
>>
>> method 2 might involve using an app like apple maps (on their
>> iPhone) =3D3D
>> which can tell the location of a pointer on the map (used in turn by=20
>> =3D3D=3D
> =3D20
>> turn navigation).
>>
>> Honestly, I think the first method is easier to achieve.
>>
>> The problem with map description is that it needs a lot of=20
>> information=3D20 =3D3D not easily presentable and also needs a large=20
>> amount of bandwidth=3D20 for =3D3D retrieval of location specifics in re=
al time.
>>
>> I have noticed this issue about a lot of the digital mode software=20
>> for=3D20 =3D3D ham radio.  almost none of it is properly accessible for=
=20
>> the blind =3D
> =3D3D=3D20
>> (especially
>> dm88 in HRD).  getting anyone to acknowledge that we (as a =3D3D=20
>> community=3D
> =3D20
>> of
>> hams) even exists is starting to become a full time job =3D3D (and=3D20=
=20
>> sometimes even major frustration as I get the impression that they=20
>> =3D3D=3D20 don't want to hear from us).
>>
>> perhaps what we need to do is to find every blind person we can and
>> =3D3D=3D20
>> encourage them to become hams.  The larger our population in a=3D20=20
>> specific =3D3D population market, the more we get listened to.  Its=3D20=
=20
>> simple, direct and =3D3D easy to do.
>>
>> DE n7zzt Eric
>>
>> On Nov 11, 2015, at 12:05 PM, John Miller wrote:
>>
>> I've experimented with APRS and I don't see a way, It shows actual=20
>> =3D3D=3D20 maps
>> on=3D3D20 the screen with people pinpointed on them, nothing is
>> described=3D20
>> that I =3D3D
>> can=3D3D20
>> tell except maybe longitude and latitude and I'm not even totally=20
>> sure=3D20 =3D3D
>> about=3D3D20
>> that for sure.  I don't see it being able to be accessible in it's=20
>> =3D3D
>> current=3D3D20
>> state and not sure there's really any way they could make it =3D3D=3D20=
=20
>> accessible.
>> =3D3D20
>> -----Original Message-----=3D3D20
>> From: Matthew Chao
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2015 1:08 PM
>> To: [log in to unmask]
>> Subject: Accessibility of APRS?
>> =3D3D20
>> Hi, Folks.  I have a Kenwood TMV710A which has APRS.  Is there any=20
>> way=3D20 to make APRS accessible?  Thanks.--Matt, N1IBB.=3D3D20
>>
>>
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