Even on a 91 Lumina you still have the ECM for the multiport fuel injection, the ICM for the ignition, and the CCM for the instrumentation at a minimum.
Its hard to really get away from electronics in vehicles.
-----Original Message-----
From: For blind ham radio operators [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of John Miller
Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2015 12:28 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: accessibility of appliances
I'm not saying any but the less computers and stuff the better. Right now we have a 1991 Lumina and there's not much to it.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Frank Ventura" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2015 11:21 AM
Subject: Re: accessibility of appliances
> If you are seriously looking for a vehicle without any solid state
> electron= ics you are going to need to set your time machine for the
> very early 70s o= r earlier.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: For blind ham radio operators
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> =
> On Behalf Of John Miller
> Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2015 9:22 AM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: accessibility of appliances
>
> It's funny, now that we're on a budget here that no one could actually
> live= on while I job search, anyone knows of anything anywhere in the
> country le= t me know moving is looking better every day, a anyway, I
> find us leaning t= oward older cars now. They're cheaper and cheaper
> to fix yes but I'm findin= g no matter what we get for a family car,
> older and less features is what I= want because my old repair and
> diagnostics methods work without needing to= put it on a scanner or
> something, anything goes wrong I can diagnose it by= sound or what
> ever in the driveway and with not as many features,I can fix= it and
> less can go wrong. The current one I had to replace most of the bra=
> ke lines in because it sat so long, no antilock brakes module to deal
> with = was very nice and all straight clean runs.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jim Gammon" <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2015 1:09 AM
> Subject: Re: accessibility of appliances
>
>
>>I read that book a while back. I think it's rather humorous that
>>one=20 of the only cars still working was an Edsole, yup, no computer
>>crapola=20 interface, just a carburator and spark plugs.
>> The thing is that the Coppel book is Real! Jim
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Curtis Delzer <[log in to unmask]
>> To: [log in to unmask]
>> Date sent: Wed, 11 Nov 2015 20:44:41 -0800
>> Subject: Re: accessibility of appliances
>>
>> or, "one second after," where it is an EMP that does it. and
>> then,=20 his sequel, "one year after" published by William Forstchen
>> which is=20 not as fanciful as it sounds.
>>
>> At 06:37 PM 11/11/2015, you wrote:
>> Well Jordan, it sounds like we might all be forced in to buying=20
>> Iphones or androids if in fact they have app's to control our
>> washers=20 etc.
>> Boy, that's
>> scary, the internet of Things. I am reading a book by Ted Coppel=20
>> called
>> Lights Out where he discusses a cyber attack that will take
>> down the
>> electrical grid. Very interesting and thought provoking, Jim
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Jordan Gallacher
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2015 5:45 PM
>> To: [log in to unmask]
>> Subject: Re: accessibility of appliances
>>
>> It's definitely a problem that I do not know of any solutions to
>> since=20 quite a few appliances have gone to either a flat panel for
>> the=20 controls or a touchscreen. I have heard of a few that do have
>> apps to=20 be able to control them, but I cannot say anything other
>> than that=20 since I have never tried any of them.
>> Jordan
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: For blind ham radio operators
>> [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
>> On Behalf Of Jim Gammon
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2015 7:30 PM
>> To: [log in to unmask]
>> Subject: accessibility of appliances
>>
>> Yup, right you are about washers and dryers, at least our new
>> front=20 loading ones. I can start ours, but that's all. I have
>> been meaning=20 to contact the manufacturer about accessibility
>> features, such as=20 markings etc, but have not done so. I bet there
>> aren't any. Even=20 when you go into most stores to check out stuff
>> it's non-operative and=20 the sales people have no idea what you are
>> asking about. I will make=20 myself a note to ask about accessibility.
>> 73, Jim
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: John Miller <[log in to unmask]
>> To: [log in to unmask]
>> Date sent: Wed, 11 Nov 2015 20:09:32 -0500
>> Subject: Re: Accessibility of APRS?
>>
>> Someone I dog sit for now and then, also a ham but anyway, last time
>> I=20 was there I tried to use his washing machine. If you set it
>> and=20 forget it you only need to hit the start button and the power
>> button I=20 think.
>> If you
>> change modes or anything, water temperature, none of the controls
>> stop=20 they just spin for ever, with clicks at the settings but bump
>> it with=20 the power button off it will spin but not change anything
>> so you can't=20 mark it or anything. I'm glad I have the old style
>> but I'm sure no=20 matter how many times I fix it, it won't last forever.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Jim Gammon
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2015 7:33 PM
>> To: [log in to unmask]
>> Subject: Re: Accessibility of APRS?
>>
>> Yes, right you are. We once got one of those dumb coffee makers and
>> I=20 took it back because it was not very accessible. My greatest
>> pet=20 peeve is that technology can be so liberating and because of
>> the=20 idiots who make much of it don't consider putting in some
>> simple=20 beeps, or even speech, things that should or could be more
>> accessible=20 often wind up being unusuable for blind folks. Ok,
>> down off my soap=20 box. Well, one last thing, let's hear it for
>> Universal Design! Jim=20 WA6EKS
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Jim Shaffer <[log in to unmask]
>> To: [log in to unmask]
>> Date sent: Wed, 11 Nov 2015 15:15:15 -0600
>> Subject: Re: Accessibility of APRS?
>>
>> Eric, getting all our blind friends to become hams wouldn't do it=20
>> either.
>> For example, look at all the products that are not accessible, for=20
>> example, the Keurig 2.0 coffee brewers. Are there even any
>> accessible=20 new Sirius/XM radios?
>> --
>> Jim, ke5al
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Eric Oyen
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2015 1:42 PM
>> To: [log in to unmask]
>> Subject: Re: Accessibility of APRS?
>>
>> actually, there is a way.
>> method 1: use a concurrent table that contains columns for station
>> ID,=20 =3D LAT, LONG, DIrection of travel, Velocity, etc.
>>
>> method 2 might involve using an app like apple maps (on their
>> iPhone) =3D
>> which can tell the location of a pointer on the map (used in turn by
>> =3D=
> =20
>> turn navigation).
>>
>> Honestly, I think the first method is easier to achieve.
>>
>> The problem with map description is that it needs a lot of
>> information=20 =3D not easily presentable and also needs a large
>> amount of bandwidth=20 for =3D retrieval of location specifics in real time.
>>
>> I have noticed this issue about a lot of the digital mode software
>> for=20 =3D ham radio. almost none of it is properly accessible for
>> the blind =
> =3D=20
>> (especially
>> dm88 in HRD). getting anyone to acknowledge that we (as a =3D
>> community=
> =20
>> of
>> hams) even exists is starting to become a full time job =3D (and=20
>> sometimes even major frustration as I get the impression that they
>> =3D=20 don't want to hear from us).
>>
>> perhaps what we need to do is to find every blind person we can and
>> =3D=20
>> encourage them to become hams. The larger our population in a=20
>> specific =3D population market, the more we get listened to. Its=20
>> simple, direct and =3D easy to do.
>>
>> DE n7zzt Eric
>>
>> On Nov 11, 2015, at 12:05 PM, John Miller wrote:
>>
>> I've experimented with APRS and I don't see a way, It shows actual
>> =3D=20 maps
>> on=3D20 the screen with people pinpointed on them, nothing is
>> described=20
>> that I =3D
>> can=3D20
>> tell except maybe longitude and latitude and I'm not even totally
>> sure=20 =3D
>> about=3D20
>> that for sure. I don't see it being able to be accessible in it's
>> =3D
>> current=3D20
>> state and not sure there's really any way they could make it =3D=20
>> accessible.
>> =3D20
>> -----Original Message-----=3D20
>> From: Matthew Chao
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2015 1:08 PM
>> To: [log in to unmask]
>> Subject: Accessibility of APRS?
>> =3D20
>> Hi, Folks. I have a Kenwood TMV710A which has APRS. Is there any
>> way=20 to make APRS accessible? Thanks.--Matt, N1IBB.=3D20
>>
>>
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