Angel, don't brand me with the same brush. I haven't read the book
and won't read it. I don't care about oral tradition; God's word is
trump. How are you taking it out of context? Read Hebrews 11 and 12
and find out. I know about the teaching; I just don't agree with
it. The teaching is not in Scripture so I discount it.
earlier, Angel, wrote:
>How am I taking that statement out of context? It is true we hold
>in higher esteem oral tradition than do protestants. Which preceded
>scripture. I was not questioning the legitimacy of your Faith. I
>would never do so. I am merely attempting to explain the reasoning
>behind Catholic belief regarding the Saints, and their continued
>relationship with us here on earth. My question was: How can you
>be so quick to dismiss Catholic teaching, while being so quick to
>believe something written to make a profit. Such can be illustrated
>by the film which followed the book?
>----- Original Message ----- From: "john schwery" <[log in to unmask]>
>To: <[log in to unmask]>
>Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2014 10:23 AM
>Subject: Catholic teaching
>
>
>>Angel, the reason we don't believe Catholic teaching, and I was
>>raised Catholic, is because they aren't in the Scriptures. You are
>>stretching the cloud of witnesses statement and taking it out of context.
>>
>>earlier, Angel, wrote:
>>>I am not angry,, I apologize if it seems that I am,. I just
>>>can't understand for the life of me why protestants find it so
>>>hard to believe in some Catholic teachings, such as those claiming
>>>the Saints are interceding for us constantly in heaven, and that
>>>they constantly are with us on earth watching over us with our
>>>personal angels. They being the cloud of witnesses of which Saint
>>>Paul spoke, and they so easily accept something they read from a
>>>book shelf. Almost as if it were gospel itself? It seems to me,
>>>protestants will bee almost willing to believe anything from
>>>almost anyone who claims it to be true. Some are almost as bad as
>>>those who believe the shroud of Turin is real. When Saint Paul
>>>didn't even recount what he saw in heaven, and don't you think he
>>>would have at least raved about how he saw Saint Steven there. If
>>>he saw him. Because, we know he suffered from the guilt over the
>>>part he played in his martyrdom, if he saw him in heaven. Why
>>>should I believe any modern recounts of heavenly
>>>experiences. When, in order for A Saint to be canonized, two
>>>miracles must be verified as having been done by that Saint. It
>>>is those recounting from such Saints as Paul and John in whom I
>>>put my trust concerning heavenly accounts. I ask, what is the
>>>litmus test to which you all have put this recounting from this
>>>young man whom no one on the list knows personally? Now I am not
>>>saying the experiences themselves aren't real experiences. I am
>>>just saying why I don't believe they should be taken at face
>>>value. Only God knows whether those experiences weren't
>>>hallucinations. My late husband suffered from a load of
>>>those. Each of which seemed perfectly real to him. I know what
>>>they were too, because he spoke each he saw.
>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Donna Bell" <[log in to unmask]>
>>>To: <[log in to unmask]>
>>>Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2014 5:56 AM
>>>Subject: Re: Angel, Please first read Heaven is for real: a little
>>>boy's astounding story of his trip to heaven and back.
>>>
>>>
>>>>Hi All,
>>>>I haven't read the book yet, but I intend too. My first reaction to
>>>>what I'm reading is that this family needs our prayers, and
>>>>compassion.
>>>>Any book that talks about miracles should be weighed against scripture,
>>>>but it seems like what happened to this little one is meant to
>>>>encourage us.
>>>>I haven't walked on water, or raised the dead, but God has saved my
>>>>life more than once, and the testimonies from these events have lead
>>>>people to salvation, which is what really matters.
>>>>We'll know the book by it's fruit. Angel, I'm sorry you seem so angry.
>>>>Blessings,
>>>>Donna
>>>>On 7/23/14, Phil Scovell <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>>>>Then tell us everything that is theologically wrong with this miraculous
>>>>>experience. I get the feeling you don't want to read this little book and
>>>>>I'm wondering why. Why do you want to argue what you believe when you
>>>>>haven't read this book of a little boy's testimony confirmed by Scripture
>>>>>from beginning to end. Are you worried it might challenge some
>>>>>of your most
>>>>>closely held beliefs?
>>>>>
>>>>>Phil.
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