What's expencive?
Some of us find $25 expensive. Some of us find $10,000 reasonable.
All depends on what you want to do, and what realestate you have access to.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Joe Quinn" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Friday, October 10, 2014 12:49 PM
Subject: Re: HF antenna fun
> What if you put it out of the window, would it work any better? Also, are
> th=
> ere any antennas that work on all hf bands?
> Also are antennas expensive?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Oct 10, 2014, at 12:11 PM, Colin McDonald <[log in to unmask]>
>> wrot=
> e:
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>> you will get just limited performance on 20M and up in frequency.
>> You will get basically no performance on bands down in frequency from 20M
>> o=
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>> 14MHZ
>> If you have stations very close by on 40 or 80/75M you may be able to=20
>> participate in round tables...again, if they are very close indeed...as
>> in=
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>> within 2 or 3 miles
>> If band conditions are extremely good, you may make an occasional contact
>> o=
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>> 20M, 15M or 10M bands.
>> You will have RFi issues, and you will have noise problems making
>> receivin=
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>> difficult at best.
>> Not trying to discourage you at all, but you need to be aware of the
>> sever=
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>> limitations of an indoor apartment style HF antenna.
>> They very seldom work for anything other than limited receiving on HF.
>> Mo=
> st=20
>> guys who use HF in an apartment can get the antenna outside on the
>> balcony=
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>> or something...this at least gets the radiator outside the building.
>> The=20=
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>> building is full of metal and all sorts of stuff that blocks RF from
>> getti=
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>> in or out, along with electronics that create high noise level on
>> receive=20=
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>> making it difficult to copy stations.
>> I had limited success using a hamstick style mono-band mobile antenna=20
>> clamped to the balcony railing on the fourth floor for a couple years.
>> It got me on 20M and 40M, but barely... I didn't make any contacts at
>> all=20=
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>> unless the band conditions were very very good.
>> Unfortunately, this is one of those things where there is no way
>> around=20=
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>> it...the wheel has been invented, and reinvented on indoor HF antennas
>> and=
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>> while manufacturers still make them and claim all sorts of fantastic=20
>> results, at the end of the day, they just don't work well.
>> That said, if you are located on the beech in florida or some other
>> south=20=
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>> eastern State, you may find you have reasonable performance even with
>> an=20=
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>> indoor antenna. Angle of radiation, propagation and other factors come
>> in=
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>> play making the circumstances more conducive to success.
>> That said, the best part about ham radio is that if you try something,
>> you=
> =20
>> may find you have results that don't match up to the accepted theory
>> or=20=
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>> experience of others.
>> So, try it and see what happens.
>> Another antenna to check out might be the MFJ loop antenna...a bit
>> more=20=
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>> money, but they work well even inside buildings, at least better than
>> your=
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>> typical vertical.
>>=20
>> 73
>> Colin, V A6BKX
>> --------------------------------------------------
>> From: "Joe Quinn" <[log in to unmask]>
>> Sent: Friday, October 10, 2014 10:17 AM
>> To: <[log in to unmask]>
>> Subject: Re: HF antenna fun
>>=20
>>> Mfj1622 apartment antenna, lest you see something better
>>>=20
>>> Sent from my iPhone
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>>>> On Oct 10, 2014, at 10:20 AM, Jim Shaffer <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
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>>>> I see a bunch of antennas here. Specifically, what antenna is it?
>>>>=20
>>>> -----Original Message-----=20
>>>> From: Joe Quinn
>>>> Sent: Friday, October 10, 2014 10:00 AM
>>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>>> Subject: Re: HF antenna fun
>>>>=20
>>>> Here's the link, tell me what you think=3D20
>>>> http://www.mfjenterprises.com/Product.php?productid=3D3DMFJ-1622
>>>>=20
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>=20
>>>>> On Oct 10, 2014, at 9:24 AM, Butch Bussen <[log in to unmask]>
>>>>> wrote=
> :
>>>>> =3D20
>>>>> I didn't see a link to your antenna. Keep in mind, anything smaller
>>>>> is=3D20=3D
>>>>=20
>>>>> a compromise antenna. Not to say it is bad, just be ware. A dummy
>>>>> load=3D20=3D
>>>>=20
>>>>> will load up on all bands, but doesn't radiate worth a damn. I had
>>>>> one=3D20=3D
>>>>=20
>>>>> of those b and w 160 through ten antennas, looked goot on swr meter,
>>>>> but=3D20=3D
>>>>=20
>>>>> was a very poor performer. It is basicly a folded dipole, 50 foot or
>>>>> so=3D20=3D
>>>>=20
>>>>> each side of center, right above the center insolator or balon is=3D20
>>>>> another box which is actually a resister which is why it matched
>>>>> so=3D2=
> 0
>>>>> well. I called it my dummy load with wires. I'd ask about
>>>>> putting=3D2=
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>>>>> something up out side and go from there. Can you get any local hams
>>>>> or=3D20=3D
>>>>=20
>>>>> club involved to lend you a hand to see what might be done?
>>>>> 73
>>>>> Butch
>>>>> WA0VJR
>>>>> Node 3148
>>>>> Wallace, ks.
>>>>> =3D20
>>>>> =3D20
>>>>> On Thu, 9 Oct=3D20
>>>>> 2014, Alan R. Downing wrote:
>>>>> =3D20
>>>>>> Hello Joe, Don't get your hopes up too high for this indoor HF
>>>>>> antenna=
> .
>>>>>> I=3D
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>>>>>> think that it is highly doubtful that an antenna that small can work
>>>>>> very=3D
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>>>>>> efficiently. In addition to poor performance, keep your eye open for
>>>>>> interference. When you transmit on this small antenna, you run
>>>>>> the=20=
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>>>>>> risk
>>>>>> o=3D
>>>> f
>>>>>> getting into all many of electronics, not only in your apartment,
>>>>>> but=20=
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>>>>>> in
>>>>>> neighboring units. Keep us posted on how you do.
>>>>>> =3D20
>>>>>> =3D20
>>>>>> Alan/KD7GC
>>>>>> =3D20
>>>>>> =3D20
>>>>>> =3D20
>>>>>> Alan R. Downing
>>>>>> Phoenix, AZ
>>>>>> =3D20
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: For blind ham radio operators
>>>>>> [mailto:[log in to unmask]
>>>> ]
>>>>>> On Behalf Of Joe Quinn
>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2014 9:49 PM
>>>>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>>>>> Subject: HF antenna fun
>>>>>> =3D20
>>>>>> I found an antenna that will work inside my apartment. It says
>>>>>> it'll=
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>>>>>> wo=3D
>>>> rk
>>>>>> f=3D3D
>>>>>> rom 40-10 meters on hf and six and 2 meters on vhf. It's not huge, so
>>>>>> I=
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>>>>>> c=3D
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>>>>>> p=3D3D
>>>>>> ut it outside my window or even indoors clamping it to the desk. What
>>>>>> I=
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>>>>>> woul=3D3D
>>>>>> d like to know, is if there is another antenna that would work
>>>>>> below,=20=
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>>>>>> or
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>>>>>> t above, 40 meters but that wouldn't be huge, so it would work from
>>>>>> insid=3D
>>>> e
>>>>>> m=3D3D
>>>>>> y apartment. I don't know that I would be able to get permission from
>>>>>> the=3D
>>>>=20
>>>>>> ma=3D3D
>>>>>> nager to be able to hang out a 60 foot or whatever antenna outside
>>>>>> of=20=
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>>>>>> my
>>>>>> apa=3D3D
>>>>>> rtment window. :-) but I want to be able to work as many HF bands as
>>>>>> I=
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>>>>>> ca=3D
>>>> n.
>>>>>> A=3D3D
>>>>>> nybody have any ideas?=3D3D
>>>>>> =3D20
>>>>>> =3D20=20
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