I never understood the latest craze for 43 foot verticals. Is this some
magical length?
73
Butch
WA0VJR
Node 3148
Wallace, ks.
On Fri, 10 Oct 2014, Colin McDonald wrote:
> some good antennas that would work on 80 to 10 meters:
> carolina windom off center fed dipole.
> G5RV style antenna.
> An 80M delta or full loop.
> 43 foot vertical.
>
> 73
> Colin, V A6BKX
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Joe Quinn" <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Friday, October 10, 2014 5:40 PM
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: HF antenna fun
>
>> What are some good antennasThat would work on 80-10 meters. Maybe that's
>> too=
>> wide of spectrum. I don't know how antennas work, :-)
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Oct 10, 2014, at 6:00 PM, Pat Byrne <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>> =20
>>> Any antenna within reason will work with almost any modern=20
>>> transceiver. So the short answer is yes. Still have to consider the=20
>>> efficiency of the antenna, and so on as list members have been=20
>>> telling you. =46rom everuthing I hear, the TS590 is a great rig.
>>> patAt 05:49 PM 10/10/2014, you wrote:
>>>> I'm leaning towards the 590S. What antennas or whatnot would work with
>>>> th=
>> is r=3D
>>>> ig? Would "ham sticks" work with this radio?
>>>> =20
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> =20
>>>>> On Oct 10, 2014, at 5:24 PM, Pat Byrne <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>>>> =3D20
>>>>> Joe,
>>>>> =3D46rom the description of the antenna I personally wouldn't care
>>>>> to=3D=
>> 20
>>>>> deal with it. There appear to be two variables; the length of the=3D20
>>>>> antenna, and the loading coil which seems to be adjustable. Over=3D20
>>>>> time you would find ways to be able to quickly adjust the antenna
>>>>> to=3D2=
>> 0
>>>>> a particular frequency, which will be necessary for proper
>>>>> operation,=3D=
>> 20
>>>>> but there would be a hell of a lot of trial and error before you=3D20
>>>>> reached that point. You would need a way to tell if the antenna
>>>>> was=3D2=
>> 0
>>>>> resonant, probably an audible SWR meter, a visual meter if your=3D20
>>>>> vision permits, or a pair of willing eyes. I know I wouldn't=3D20
>>>>> personally have the patience to make it work!
>>>>> If you have a balcony, the dipole configured hamsticks are a good
>>>>> one=3D=
>> 20
>>>>> band solution. And a person could have multiple sets of hamsticks=3D20
>>>>> for multiple bands. A random length of wire thrown over a balcony=3D20
>>>>> railing is an option along with an automatic antenna tuner.
>>>>> Perhaps=3D2=
>> 0
>>>>> inefficient but workable. I had a friend who had a couple of
>>>>> dipoles=3D=
>> 20
>>>>> in the attic of the townhouse complex where he lived and alleged
>>>>> to=3D20=
>>
>>>>> have worked a decent amount of DX with them.
>>>>> So you have lots of options - decide which band or bands you are=3D20
>>>>> interested in and what kind of transceiver you want or have. Does
>>>>> it=3D=
>> 20
>>>>> have an onboard antenna tuner. If not, that should go on your wish
>>>>> list=
>> .
>>>>> We'll help you through this!!
>>>>> pat, K9JAUAt 04:13 PM 10/10/2014, you wrote:
>>>>>> So do y'all think that this antenna would be worth me buying? Or would
>>>>>> i=
>> t=3D
>>>> be=3D3D
>>>>>> too much of a pain to deal with?
>>>>>> Also why don't these Hf radios come with some sort of antennas?=3D3D20
>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>> =3D20
>>>>>>> On Oct 10, 2014, at 3:17 PM, Jim Shaffer <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>>>>>> =3D3D20
>>>>>>> Ok, here's the antenna Joe's talking about:
>>>>>>> =3D3D20
>>>>>>> The MFJ-1622 Apartment Antenna covers 40 through 2 Meters, mounts
>>>>>> outdoor t=3D3D
>>>>>> o=3D3D20
>>>>>>> windows, balconies, railings, and works great indoors mounted
>>>> to desks,=3D3D=3D
>>>> 20=3D3D
>>>>>> =3D20
>>>>>>> tables, and bookshelves!
>>>>>>> This Apartment Antenna lets you operate 40 through 10 Meters on HF
>>>>>>> and=
>> 6=3D
>>>> a=3D3D
>>>>>> nd=3D3D20
>>>>>>> 2 Meters on VHF with a single antenna! Its universal mount/clamp
>>>>>> lets you=3D3D20=3D3D
>>>>>> =3D20
>>>>>>> easily attach it to window frames, balconies, and railings. It=3D20
>>>>>> also works=3D3D20=3D3D
>>>>>> =3D20
>>>>>>> great indoors mounted to a desk, table, or bookshelf. Its not a five
>>>>>>> e=
>> le=3D
>>>> me=3D3D
>>>>>> nt=3D3D20
>>>>>>> yagi, but youll work your share of exciting DX!
>>>>>>> The highly-efficient air wound bug catcher loading coil and
>>>>>> telescoping 5=3D3D20=3D3D
>>>>>> =3D20
>>>>>>> 1/2 foot radiator lets you really get out! The radiator collapses to
>>>>>>> 2=
>> 1=3D
>>>> /2=3D3D
>>>>>> =3D3D20
>>>>>>> feet for easy storage and carrying.
>>>>>>> It includes coax RF choke balun, coax feed line, counterpoise
>>>> wire and=3D3D=3D
>>>> 20
>>>>>>> safety rope. The operating frequency is adjusted by moving the wander
>>>>>>> l=
>> e=3D
>>>> ad=3D3D
>>>>>> =3D3D20
>>>>>>> on the coil and adjusting the counterpoise for the best SWR.
>>>>>>> =3D3D20
>>>>>>> So, it sounds like it might be a bit of a pain to tune. I wonder if
>>>>>>> a=
>> ny=3D
>>>> on=3D3D
>>>>>> e=3D3D20
>>>>>>> can comment on those magnetic loop antennas? I remember a
>>>>>> discussion of=3D3D20=3D3D
>>>>>> =3D20
>>>>>>> them several months ago on this list, but can't remember any
>>>>>>> specifics=
>> .
>>>>>>> =3D3D20
>>>>>>> Another possibility is an antenna in the attic. Joe, does your
>>>>>> apartment=3D3D20=3D3D
>>>>>> =3D20
>>>>>>> building have an attic, and could you possibly put an antenna up
>>>>>>> there=
>> ? =3D
>>>> I=3D3D
>>>>>> =3D3D20
>>>>>>> have an Alpha-delta 40 through 10 meter dipole in my attic, and
>>>>>> it works=3D3D20=3D3D
>>>>>> =3D20
>>>>>>> pretty well, even on 40 meters. It is 40 feet long, and just
>>>>>> fits in my=3D3D20=3D3D
>>>>>> =3D20
>>>>>>> attic.
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Jim, KE5AL
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----=3D3D20
>>>>>>> From: Joe Quinn
>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, October 10, 2014 11:17 AM
>>>>>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: HF antenna fun
>>>>>>> =3D3D20
>>>>>>> Mfj1622 apartment antenna, lest you see something better
>>>>>>> =3D3D20
>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>> =3D3D20
>>>>>>>> On Oct 10, 2014, at 10:20 AM, Jim Shaffer <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>>>>>>> =3D3D20
>>>>>>>> I see a bunch of antennas here. Specifically, what antenna is it?
>>>>>>>> =3D3D20
>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----=3D3D20
>>>>>>>> From: Joe Quinn
>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, October 10, 2014 10:00 AM
>>>>>>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: HF antenna fun
>>>>>>>> =3D3D20
>>>>>>>> Here's the link, tell me what you think=3D3D3D20
>>>>>>>> http://www.mfjenterprises.com/Product.php?productid=3D3D3D3DMFJ-1622
>>>>>>>> =3D3D20
>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>>> =3D3D20
>>>>>>>>> On Oct 10, 2014, at 9:24 AM, Butch Bussen <[log in to unmask]>
>>>>>>>>> wr=
>> ot=3D
>>>> e:=3D3D
>>>>>> =3D20
>>>>>>>>> =3D3D3D20
>>>>>>>>> I didn't see a link to your antenna. Keep in mind, anything
>>>>>>>>> smaller=
>>
>>>>>>>>> is=3D3D3D20=3D3D3D
>>>>>>>> =3D3D20
>>>>>>>>> a compromise antenna. Not to say it is bad, just be ware. A dummy
>>>>>>>>> load=3D3D3D20=3D3D3D
>>>>>>>> =3D3D20
>>>>>>>>> will load up on all bands, but doesn't radiate worth a damn. I had
>>>>>>>>> one=3D3D3D20=3D3D3D
>>>>>>>> =3D3D20
>>>>>>>>> of those b and w 160 through ten antennas, looked goot on swr
>>>>>>>>> meter,=
>>
>>>>>>>>> but=3D3D3D20=3D3D3D
>>>>>>>> =3D3D20
>>>>>>>>> was a very poor performer. It is basicly a folded dipole, 50 foot
>>>>>>>>> o=
>> r
>>>>>>>>> so=3D3D3D20=3D3D3D
>>>>>>>> =3D3D20
>>>>>>>>> each side of center, right above the center insolator or balon
>>>>>>>>> is=3D=
>> 3D3D=3D
>>>> 20
>>>>>>>>> another box which is actually a resister which is why it matched
>>>>>>>>> so=3D=
>> 3D=3D
>>>> 3D20=3D3D
>>>>>> =3D20
>>>>>>>>> well. I called it my dummy load with wires. I'd ask about
>>>>>>>>> putting=3D=
>> 3D=3D
>>>> 3D20=3D3D
>>>>>> =3D20
>>>>>>>>> something up out side and go from there. Can you get any local
>>>>>>>>> hams=
>>
>>>>>>>>> or=3D3D3D20=3D3D3D
>>>>>>>> =3D3D20
>>>>>>>>> club involved to lend you a hand to see what might be done?
>>>>>>>>> 73
>>>>>>>>> Butch
>>>>>>>>> WA0VJR
>>>>>>>>> Node 3148
>>>>>>>>> Wallace, ks.
>>>>>>>>> =3D3D3D20
>>>>>>>>> =3D3D3D20
>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 9 Oct=3D3D3D20
>>>>>>>>> 2014, Alan R. Downing wrote:
>>>>>>>>> =3D3D3D20
>>>>>>>>>> Hello Joe, Don't get your hopes up too high for this indoor HF
>>>>>>>>>> ante=
>> nn=3D
>>>> a.=3D3D
>>>>>> =3D20
>>>>>>>>>> I=3D3D3D
>>>>>>>> =3D3D20
>>>>>>>>>> think that it is highly doubtful that an antenna that small can
>>>>>>>>>> wor=
>> k
>>>>>>>>>> very=3D3D3D
>>>>>>>> =3D3D20
>>>>>>>>>> efficiently. In addition to poor performance, keep your eye open
>>>>>>>>>> f=
>> or=3D
>>>> =20
>>>>>>>>>> interference. When you transmit on this small antenna, you run
>>>>>>>>>> the=
>> r=3D
>>>> is=3D3D
>>>>>> k
>>>>>>>>>> o=3D3D3D
>>>>>>>> f
>>>>>>>>>> getting into all many of electronics, not only in your apartment,
>>>>>>>>>> b=
>> ut=3D
>>>> i=3D3D
>>>>>> n
>>>>>>>>>> neighboring units. Keep us posted on how you do.
>>>>>>>>>> =3D3D3D20
>>>>>>>>>> =3D3D3D20
>>>>>>>>>> Alan/KD7GC
>>>>>>>>>> =3D3D3D20
>>>>>>>>>> =3D3D3D20
>>>>>>>>>> =3D3D3D20
>>>>>>>>>> Alan R. Downing
>>>>>>>>>> Phoenix, AZ
>>>>>>>>>> =3D3D3D20
>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>> From: For blind ham radio operators
>>>>>>>>>> [mailto:[log in to unmask]
>>>>>>>> ]
>>>>>>>>>> On Behalf Of Joe Quinn
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2014 9:49 PM
>>>>>>>>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: HF antenna fun
>>>>>>>>>> =3D3D3D20
>>>>>>>>>> I found an antenna that will work inside my apartment. It says
>>>>>>>>>> it=
>> 'l=3D
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>>>>>>>>>> wo=3D3D3D
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>>>>>>>>>> f=3D3D3D3D
>>>>>>>>>> rom 40-10 meters on hf and six and 2 meters on vhf. It's not huge,
>>>>>>>>>> s=
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>>>>>> =3D20
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>>>>>>>>>> p=3D3D3D3D
>>>>>>>>>> ut it outside my window or even indoors clamping it to the desk.
>>>>>>>>>> Wh=
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>>>>>> =3D20
>>>>>>>>>> woul=3D3D3D3D
>>>>>>>>>> d like to know, is if there is another antenna that would work
>>>>>>>>>> belo=
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>>>>>>>>>> i=3D3D3D
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>>>>>>>>>> i=3D3D3D3D
>>>>>>>>>> t above, 40 meters but that wouldn't be huge, so it would work
>>>>>>>>>> from=
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>>>>>>>>>> m=3D3D3D3D
>>>>>>>>>> y apartment. I don't know that I would be able to get permission
>>>>>>>>>> fr=
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>>>> =20
>>>>>>>>>> the=3D3D3D
>>>>>>>> =3D3D20
>>>>>>>>>> ma=3D3D3D3D
>>>>>>>>>> nager to be able to hang out a 60 foot or whatever antenna outside
>>>>>>>>>> o=
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>>>>>> y
>>>>>>>>>> apa=3D3D3D3D
>>>>>>>>>> rtment window. :-) but I want to be able to work as many HF
>>>> bands as I=3D
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>>>>>>>>>> A=3D3D3D3D
>>>>>>>>>> nybody have any ideas?=3D3D3D3D
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