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Michael Thurman <[log in to unmask]>
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I bet you will not hear back either, as I doubt they truly care. most companies do not care except ken wood, icon and apple.
Michael Thurman
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On Aug 13, 2014, at 1:23 PM, Jim Gammon <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> Martin and all interested.  I posted some emails to the list 
> about Whistler Group making their new trunked scanners 
> accessible.  This is important because Whistler bought the GRE 
> America PSR scanners when GRE went out of business.  Currently,  
> Whistler has introduced a scanner very similar to the PSR500 
> handheld scanner but the speaker is below the keypad rather then 
> above it.  In any case, Whistler has plans to introduce new 
> scanners which is why I approached them about adding a series of 
> beeps at the very least, or at best, adding a plug like Kenwood 
> has in their rigs so people can buy speech boards to make their 
> scanners way more accessible.  I talked to a lady named Sheri 
> Nolan in customer service who told me to write up my ideas and 
> send them to her then she in turn, would forward them to the 
> company engineers in Ma.  They are responsible for designing the 
> new scanners.  That's obviously where the universal design, or 
> access needs to be introduced, from the ground up.  In my first 
> email to her, I had put some questions that I originally had 
> posed to GRE America about their PSR500.  I didn't expect 
> answers, just thought they might like to see some of the problems 
> I was facing with that scanner.  What did they do? They wrote me 
> back with information from the manual that was supposed to answer 
> my questions.  This included remarks like, just go to the menus 
> and scroll through them until you get to the one you need.  Of 
> course I'm para-phrasing, but clearly, the engineers did not get 
> what I was trying to explain.  After getting that email from 
> Sheri, I wrote back suggesting that the engineers take their 
> handheld scanner and just put some tape over the display and see 
> if they can figure out some work-arounds so they can use it 
> without seeing the display.  She thought that was a good idea and 
> sent it on to them.  So far, I  haven't heard back.  I hope that 
> those of you who are interested would also give input to the 
> Whistler Group by writing email to Sheri Nolan who's email 
> [log in to unmask] I recommend trying to keep focused 
> particularly on accessibility issues for their scanners and 
> emphasize that there are many people with low or no vision who 
> would really appreciate it if they would incorporate speech 
> output or at least a series of different beeps in their up-coming 
> scanners.  I for one, would like a handheld scanner with onboard 
> accessibility where you don't have to drag a laptop around in 
> order to achieve  some degree of access.  73, Jim WA6EKS
> 
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Martin G.  McCormick" <[log in to unmask]
>> To: [log in to unmask]
>> Date sent: Wed, 13 Aug 2014 09:14:28 -0500
>> Subject: Re: accessible scanners
> 
>> 	Another useful feature is when one can communicate with
>> a scanner or transceiver via serial interface.  I have two Uniden
>> scanners.  One is now eleven years old and has a rather turse
>> command set that one can access via a terminal program much the
>> way you can access one of the old telephone dial-up modems.  All
>> the characters must be upper case and all the replies are also
>> in upper case but you can read the display, setup trunking
>> systems, etc.  The only problem is that the Motorola SmartZone
>> trunking is now unusable since the new rebanded frequency plans
>> can not be fed in to the scanner as a flash upgrade since the
>> bc780 does not have that capability.
>> 	It is, however, accessible since the command set and
>> responses are all plain ASCII text.
>> 	That sort of access is much appreciated.  I also have
>> another Uniden which was made around 2008.  It does P25 and the
>> new rebanded Motorola trunking just fine.
>> 	It also has an ASCII command set and is potentially
>> totally accessible but one needs to either be running one of the
>> Windows programs that talk to your scanner or you must be
>> willing to write your own communications program in C or perl.  I
>> am a Linux user so that is kind of par for the course.
>> 	For the BCD996 and the BCD396, the commands and
>> responses are still ASCII but they use CSV or Comma-Separated
>> Variable strings.  These are sometimes hugely long lines of text
>> in which each field is separated from it's neighbors by a , so a
>> string for input or output might look like
>> 1,01453500,1,,,3,2,7,K5SRC Stillwater Repeater,14,0,9
>> 	That is not a valid entry anywhere, but it is an example
>> of what a CSV string looks like.  You see them all the time in
>> business applications that may be used with spread sheets and
>> tables.
>> 	One of my next home projects is to take the C program I
>> wrote for the BCD996 and try to re-do it in perl as I may get it
>> to do more than it presently does.
>> 	I would sure like to see more radios that have some sort
>> of electronic input and output like the Kenwoods and several
>> others.  To me, that is almost as good as having speech boards in
>> the radio which, of course, is the holy grail but may not have
>> as much mass appeal as being able to interface with a serial
>> port on a computer or maybe a web interface.
>> 	Let's hope that this period of totally inaccessible
>> technology is ending and we just might be able to really use
>> some of this stuff again.
>> 	I remember the first truly inaccessible piece of amateur
>> radio gear I encountered.  It was in the mid seventies and was a
>> two-meter transceiver that had an Up and Down button pair for
>> frequency, no direct entry and no way to get to a known state
>> except for that stupid little LED display.  If you could even get
>> it to start at 144.000 MHZ, do you really want to count in 5 KHZ
>> steps up to say, 147.925 and hope there were no key bounces or
>> missed presses?
>> 	The guy in the store said, I don't think there is any
>> way you can use that and he was absolutely right.  Don't you just
>> hate that?
> 
>> 73 Martin McCormick WB5AGZ
> 
>> Jim Gammon writes:
>>>    John, I have been corresponding with the Whistler group 
> regarding
>>> there
>>> trunked scanners.  Thought you would like to read the latest.  
> Jim

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