Eric,

I have read every message on this thread.

I don't think anyone was intentionally bashing those of you who use Macs.  I 
think they were just trying to point out that it seems to be more prevalent 
from them.

Howard #3

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "eric oyen" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Monday, February 10, 2014 11:41 AM
Subject: Re: New blind-hams list?


>I also agree. SOmething has to be done as we mac users (and there are =
> far more of us than "just a few") are growing in number. I have checked =
> every way that I can and there appears to b no way to change how apple =
> mail sends its messages. In fact, I have looked at one of the sent =
> messages using a hex editor and it seems that apple mail isn't sending =
> with those extraneous characters in each message. This clearly means =
> that the fault exists elsewhere and there is nothing we blind mac users =
> can do about it from our end. SO, telling those of us who use macs to =
> take off just isn't going to solve the problem. Its just going to =
> alienate us blind mac users who are also hams.
>
> Now, I joined this group because its one of a very few that actually =
> cater to blind hams, their specific knowledge and tips on how to operate =
> radio equipment. I still want to participate. However, I am sensing a =
> certain level of hostility toward myself (and others who use macs). It =
> is making me feel less than welcome. I don't have the $2,000 it takes to =
> get a proper windows machine with jaws on it just to satisfy 1 mailing =
> list.
>
> so, I think I shall shut up and just lurk.
>
> -eric
>
> On Feb 10, 2014, at 8:32 AM, Steve Dresser wrote:
>
>> Tom,
>>=20
>> =46rom everything I've heard, the extraneous character problem can't =
> be solved=20
>> by individuals, which is what's causing the frustration.  If someone =
> knows=20
>> of an effective solution, please share with the rest of us.
>>=20
>> Steve
>>=20
>> ----- Original Message -----=20
>> From: "Tom Brennan" <[log in to unmask]>
>> To: <[log in to unmask]>
>> Sent: Monday, February 10, 2014 09:59
>> Subject: Re: New blind-hams list?
>>=20
>>=20
>>> This is a well over done but somewhat interesting thread.  The =
> problems=20
>>> seem to
>>> be with a small number of people who are complaining about message=20
>>> formatting.
>>> The solution seems to be to create a new list just because of those =
> few=20
>>> folks.
>>> It seems that it would be far easier for those folks to solve the =
> problem=20
>>> from
>>> their end rather than disrupt a list which is running well and has =
> run=20
>>> well for
>>> years.
>>>=20
>>> Another consideration is the loss of privacy that moving the list to=20=
>
>>> someone
>>> like Yahoo will involve.  It almost seems as though people don't 
>>> care=20=
>
>>> about such
>>> these days but there are enough of us on the list who are older who 
>>> I=20=
>
>>> would
>>> think would be concerned about this.
>>>=20
>>> My vote would be to leave well enough alone.
>>>=20
>>> Tom
>>>=20
>>>=20
>>> Tom Brennan  KD5VIJ, CCC-A/SLP
>>> web page http://titan.sfasu.edu/~g_brennantg/sonicpage.html
>>>=20