Angel,

So, since we don't agree on doctrinal positions and interpretation of some 
Scriptures, am I a liar because it doesn't follow the interpretation of the 
Catholic church or you?

Phil.




----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Angel" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2014 5:28 PM
Subject: Re: Just read the book


>I will not read the book.  For the reasons I previously stated.  Many in 
>this world have different beliefs than do I about all sorts of things from 
>. John Calvin, to Charles Taze Russell, to Joseph Smith.  All claiming to 
>base their beliefs on scriptural accuracy.  Each of whom have flawed 
>reasoning, in my opinion.  Of course you are free, as you have done, to 
>disagree with me on everything.  That is your right.  About which I 
>wouldn't gainsay you. I dare say, I need not have to know about the 
>experiences of others regarding either heaven or hell.  I
> Shall be having my own experiences in good time.  So why should I care to 
> read about those of others?  When such are so personal, and can be so 
> easily contrived by others to make a dollar or million.    ----- Original 
> Message ----- 
> From: "Phil Scovell" <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2014 4:10 PM
> Subject: Just read the book
>
>
>> Angel,
>>
>> After you've read the book, and all the confirming Scriptures used in the 
>> book to verify the miracle, then tell us how your beliefs are superior to 
>> everyone else's believing in Bible doctrine and theology.  But you aren't 
>> going to do that, are you?  You are going to keep running down everyone 
>> else who has read it as being gullible, easily fooled and misguided, so 
>> called Bible believers.  I still say you are just simply afraid to read 
>> it because you would rather believe in a belief system than in Scripture 
>> itself even when Scripture is clearly experienced by a Bible believer.
>>
>> Phil.
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Angel" <[log in to unmask]>
>> To: <[log in to unmask]>
>> Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2014 6:51 AM
>> Subject: Re: Angel, Please first read Heaven is for real: a little boy's 
>> astounding story of his trip to heaven and back.
>>
>>
>>>I am not angry,,  I apologize if it seems that I am,.  I just can't 
>>>understand for the life of me why protestants find it so hard to believe 
>>>in some Catholic teachings, such as those claiming the Saints are 
>>>interceding for us constantly in heaven, and that they constantly are 
>>>with us on earth watching over us with our personal angels.  They being 
>>>the cloud of witnesses of which Saint Paul spoke, and they so easily 
>>>accept something they read from a book shelf.  Almost as if it were 
>>>gospel itself?  It seems to me, protestants will bee almost willing to 
>>>believe anything from almost anyone who claims it to be true.  Some are 
>>>almost as bad as those who believe the shroud of Turin is real.  When 
>>>Saint Paul didn't even recount what he saw in heaven, and don't you think 
>>>he would have at least raved about how he saw Saint Steven there.  If he 
>>>saw him. Because, we know he suffered from the guilt over the part he 
>>>played in his martyrdom, if he saw him in heaven.  Why should I believe 
>>>any modern recounts of heavenly experiences.  When, in order for A Saint 
>>>to be canonized, two miracles must be verified as having been done by 
>>>that Saint.  It is those recounting from such Saints as Paul and John in 
>>>whom I put my trust concerning heavenly accounts.  I ask, what is the 
>>>litmus test to which you all have put this recounting from this young man 
>>>whom no one on the list knows personally? Now I am not saying the 
>>>experiences themselves aren't real experiences.  I am just saying why I 
>>>don't believe they should be taken at face value. Only God knows whether 
>>>those experiences weren't hallucinations.  My late husband suffered from 
>>>a load of those.  Each of which seemed perfectly real to him. I know what 
>>>they were too, because he spoke each he saw.
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "Donna Bell" <[log in to unmask]>
>>> To: <[log in to unmask]>
>>> Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2014 5:56 AM
>>> Subject: Re: Angel, Please first read Heaven is for real: a little boy's 
>>> astounding story of his trip to heaven and back.
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hi All,
>>>> I haven't read the book yet, but I intend too.  My first  reaction to
>>>> what I'm reading is that this family needs our prayers, and
>>>> compassion.
>>>> Any book that talks  about miracles should be weighed against 
>>>> scripture,
>>>> but it seems like what happened to this little one is meant  to 
>>>> encourage us.
>>>> I haven't  walked on water, or raised the dead,  but God has saved my
>>>> life more than once, and the testimonies from these events have lead
>>>> people to salvation,  which is what really matters.
>>>> We'll know the book by it's fruit.  Angel, I'm  sorry you seem so 
>>>> angry.
>>>> Blessings,
>>>> Donna
>>>> On 7/23/14, Phil Scovell <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>>>> Then tell us everything that is theologically wrong with this 
>>>>> miraculous
>>>>> experience.  I get the feeling you don't want to read this little book 
>>>>> and
>>>>> I'm wondering why.  Why do you want to argue what you believe when you
>>>>> haven't read this book of a little boy's testimony confirmed by 
>>>>> Scripture
>>>>> from beginning to end.  Are you worried it might challenge some of 
>>>>> your most
>>>>> closely held beliefs?
>>>>>
>>>>> Phil.
>>>>>
>>>
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