Bev,
It hasn't be scientifically proved and never will be. However, considering
Adam's creation is a good point. On the other hand, when did Jesus become
the Son of God? He appears to have become a person, that is, a living soul,
as the Holy Spirit hovered over Mary because he was name even before birth.
This makes me lean to personage being at the moment of conception.
Phil.
I Was Perfect Until I Met Jesus
www.SafePlaceFellowship.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bev" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2014 3:18 PM
Subject: Re: Prayer - Attention Doris
> I'm just really curious, not trying to be a smart ass here, but have they
> figured out, yet, when does life begin? When does the soul enter the
> fetus? Is it immediately at conception, or, could it possibly be when that
> child actually takes it's first breath? I ask this, because It says in
> Genesis that Adam became a living being when God breathed into him the
> breath of life. I can't say I believe either way, but I have friends who
> actually believe that the person doesn't be come a total living person
> with a soul until they take their first breath of life.
>
> Bev
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Angel" <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2014 7:15 PM
> Subject: Re: Prayer - Attention Doris
>
>
>> What we are talking about here is the circumventing of the religious
>> freedom of others not to pay for what it is they don't believe. Upon
>> religious freedom was what this country was founded. It is the same as
>> our president saying ministers and priests, and caterers, and hotel
>> owners have to accommodate by law same sex couples against their
>> religious principles. Upon the point of punishment. While at the same
>> time saying Moslems shouldn't be let go from their jobs. If they, for
>> their religious reasons refuse to deliver alcohol in the trucks they
>> drive. Why should businesses which hire them allow for their religious
>> preference when they don't allow solid Christian people the same right?
>> Gods first commandment to mankind was to "be fruitful and to multiply.
>> From the time an egg is fertilized in the womb it is a person. With the
>> same rights as any of us. God told Jeremiah he knew him while he was
>> still in the womb. Do you think his knowledge extended to him alone? I
>> don't. When a man and woman engage in sexual congress with each other
>> there are three involved in that union. The man, the woman, and God. It
>> is he who decides whether fertilization ought to take place, and has a
>> soul prepared for all whom he wishes to live on this earth. Along with a
>> guardian angel to protect him from harm at all times. There are those
>> who have been fortunate enough to have seen their angels. I know such a
>> person. Just ask Phil concerning his dear grand son. His personal angel
>> must have been there watching over him from the time he was beaten till
>> the glorious day he made a full recovery. God has a plan for each of
>> us, and cares enough for each of us to see we will have all we need.
>> Jesus said as much when he pointed out the lily's of the field, and their
>> beauty, and said God knew the smallest thing concerning each of us. We
>> know this because he gave his only begotten son that we might not die the
>> death of sinners, and be separated from his divine presence for eternity.
>> If we acknowledge this. Who are we to assume we know better than does
>> he, and use some artificial means to attempt to thwart his divine plan
>> for our progeny. Hasn't he done so much for us that we need to make his
>> job of carrying out his sovereign will more difficult for him. Why would
>> we even think of trying to second guess a God who sacrificed so much for
>> us. Or why would we force people who do believe this to pay for others
>> to try to thwart Gods will.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Doris and Chris" <[log in to unmask]>
>> To: <[log in to unmask]>
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2014 7:00 PM
>> Subject: Re: Prayer - Attention Doris
>>
>>
>>> Amen. I am not sure I will ever become a catholic but I surely find my
>>> own faith a lot more reflected in catholicism than with fundamentalist
>>> evangelical teaching.
>>>
>>> should i even mention this: I do not view the birth control bill as
>>> abortion as this is imo dublicating a natural process of a human - even
>>> fertilized - egg not taking to nesting in the womb and growing to term.
>>>
>>> hugs,
>>>
>>> Doris
>>>
>>> At 10:20 AM 2014/03/04 -0500, you wrote:
>>>>No they aren't in conflict. I think our origins are irrelevant to me.
>>>>Understanding our origins will not, as far as I can tell, assist me in
>>>>my successful journey toward heaven. So, why should I care either way.
>>>>I understand we share common elements because we share life with lower
>>>>animals and with plants. It is our commonality which causes us to
>>>>interact so smoothly with domestic animals. who make our lives easier
>>>>by working for us. An example of which is the Guide dog or guide horse.
>>>>Or those dogs used to herd animals. Thus making our human work and
>>>>lleasure easier. Studding what we hold in common with lower animals and
>>>>plants also makes it an easier thing to more perfectly understand
>>>>ourselves.
>>>>Which is why medical science was able to make the progress it did before
>>>>it was legal to dissect the human cadaver. Thus the commonality we
>>>>share with lower creatures and with plants was designed to provide for
>>>>us a more perfect understanding of how it was God created us all. It
>>>>also gives to us a more perfect understanding of our intellectual
>>>>processes. Because each fully formed concept goes through a similar
>>>>creative process as God expressed when he created the universe. Which
>>>>is why we are created in Gods image. As we are the only creatures with
>>>>the ability to understand and to use intellect, and to create as does
>>>>He. This is why Satan can only get his will to be done on earth.
>>>>Because he can only do so through manipulation of us through the use of
>>>>the human weaknesses, and ignorance with which we are all plagued. As
>>>>he needs us to partner with him.
>>>>He can not create as can we.
>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Doris and Chris" <[log in to unmask]>
>>>>To: <[log in to unmask]>
>>>>Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2014 9:00 AM
>>>>Subject: Re: Prayer - Attention Doris
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>actually, we share 98.7 % of the same dna according to francis collins.
>>>>>*g*
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>for me, my faith and my interest in evolution are no conflict. are they
>>>>>for you?
>>>>>
>>>>>hugs,
>>>>>
>>>>>Doris
>>>>>
>>>>>for At 06:21 AM 2014/03/04 -0500, you wrote:
>>>>>>Why do the grate apes live on bananas and aren't diabetic or
>>>>>>depressed? The grate apes have 97 percent of human DNA. So, they can
>>>>>>properly be chosen as examples. Why, when we domesticate animals are
>>>>>>they infected by all sorts of human diseases unknown to them in the
>>>>>>wild? One should never depend on personal likes and dislikes to
>>>>>>determine what one eats. Rather one should only eat what is best for
>>>>>>the optimal functioning of our bodies and our brains. One should
>>>>>>never burden our internal organs with unnecessary work. As we do when
>>>>>>we eat more sugar than our cells can properly absorb. Because as all
>>>>>>things die, too much overwork can cause organs to prematurely die
>>>>>>before the rest of our bodies do. We wouldn't ask our friends or our
>>>>>>family to do more work than they can safely and healthily do.
>>>>>>Particularly if they are as good to us as are our internal organs.
>>>>>>Then why should we expect our liver or our kidneys or pancreas to do
>>>>>>more work than they need to do to keep our bodies functioning? Since I
>>>>>>heard of more and more people being somehow drug dependent, and having
>>>>>>to depend for their existence on physicians, and getting type II
>>>>>>diabetes I have asked myself these questions.
>>>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Doris and Chris"
>>>>>><[log in to unmask]>
>>>>>>To: <[log in to unmask]>
>>>>>>Sent: Monday, March 03, 2014 11:30 PM
>>>>>>Subject: Re: Prayer - Attention Doris
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>strawberries, grapes and bananas, while healthy in their own right in
>>>>>>>moderation, are rich in fast carbs and thus not the kind of food a
>>>>>>>diabetic should have a lot of.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>a lot of things simply take a while for the body to adjust to. it
>>>>>>>does with me. I always went potty more than once a day but doing it a
>>>>>>>lot more often now. *g* chris is watching my input and output and
>>>>>>>while I am quite productive currently, it is not the runs. If you
>>>>>>>want to live healthily, you will just have to teach your body to like
>>>>>>>what is good for it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>This does work as i did it once before long before I was diabetic to
>>>>>>>ward off a chronic candida (yeast) infection where I was allergic to
>>>>>>>several of the antifungal grugs used.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>praying for you!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Doris and chris
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>At 09:35 PM 2014/03/03 -0600, you wrote:
>>>>>>>>I have to ask, what kinds of foods make a person feel more full? I
>>>>>>>>know I eat way too much carbs, but I don't seem to know what else to
>>>>>>>>eat. I like vegetables, but raw vegetables seem to give me more
>>>>>>>>tummy issues than they're worth. I'm having a horrible time knowing
>>>>>>>>what to eat. I don't like much in the way of fresh fruit. I do like
>>>>>>>>apples, grapes and strawberries, but there aren't many other fresh
>>>>>>>>fruits I like.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Bev
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Doris and Chris"
>>>>>>>><[log in to unmask]>
>>>>>>>>To: <[log in to unmask]>
>>>>>>>>Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2014 10:23 PM
>>>>>>>>Subject: Re: Prayer - Attention Doris
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Hi, Phil,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Oh, the many things I learned to enjoy and eat while in the
>>>>>>>>>hospital have me full and not craving any sweets and I have been
>>>>>>>>>losing weight. Some of my clothes now seem almost like a before and
>>>>>>>>>after commercial from some fad diet but they are not.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>some of you have been personal friends and prayer partners for many
>>>>>>>>>years. if things do get personal, I likewise will use pm but with
>>>>>>>>>my diabetes, i am encouraged to learn different people;s
>>>>>>>>>experiences.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>since i never liked most sweets I should be fine. oh, and in
>>>>>>>>>germany, traditionally with most people the main meal is eaten
>>>>>>>>>around midday.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>praying for just the right job or volunteer opportunity for ms
>>>>>>>>>sandy and a contued gute besserung according to gods will for the
>>>>>>>>>both of you.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>hugs,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Doris and chris
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>At 08:58 PM 2014/03/02 -0700, you wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>Doris,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>We can easily work something out. Does Germany have more than one
>>>>>>>>>>time zone
>>>>>>>>>>like the states having 4 time zones? According to my iPhone,
>>>>>>>>>>Berlin is 8
>>>>>>>>>>hours ahead of the Mountain Time Zone which I am in. I don't know
>>>>>>>>>>where you live from
>>>>>>>>>>Berlin's. I'm guessing therefore, we are 7 or 8 hours apart and I
>>>>>>>>>>am behind you in time, of course. I'd enjoy talking to Chris as
>>>>>>>>>>well and
>>>>>>>>>>praying together, for that matter, too. I'm posting openly on the
>>>>>>>>>>list so
>>>>>>>>>>others can participate but otherwise, when things become more
>>>>>>>>>>personal, I'll
>>>>>>>>>>write privately offlist. I haven't been on my diabetes oral
>>>>>>>>>>medication for
>>>>>>>>>>3 weeks due to my weight loss and my low carb style of eating. I
>>>>>>>>>>have done
>>>>>>>>>>no exercising other than walking which I just started a couple of
>>>>>>>>>>days ago.
>>>>>>>>>>So, I lost 50 pounds in 5 months without being hungry and without
>>>>>>>>>>exercising. Now I'm on the second half of my diet and off the
>>>>>>>>>>medication
>>>>>>>>>>for the high blood sugar so we can talk more about that later. I
>>>>>>>>>>have been
>>>>>>>>>>checking my sugar levels with my talking glucomitor a couple of
>>>>>>>>>>times each
>>>>>>>>>>day to make sure nothing gets out of control but I know now what I
>>>>>>>>>>can eat,
>>>>>>>>>>and not eat, to control the numbers. My sugar levels are normal
>>>>>>>>>>and have
>>>>>>>>>>been these last few weeks. I go to my doctor in a week for an A1C
>>>>>>>>>>blood
>>>>>>>>>>test but the levels have been normal for the past two years so he
>>>>>>>>>>moved me
>>>>>>>>>>from 3 months to 6 months apart for the A1C test to gives them the
>>>>>>>>>>accurate
>>>>>>>>>>reading over any period of time. My blood sugar levels were in
>>>>>>>>>>the high
>>>>>>>>>>rage during the 3 days I was in the hospital because they were
>>>>>>>>>>giving me
>>>>>>>>>>steroids to assist in the healing of my spine so they gave me
>>>>>>>>>>shots to help
>>>>>>>>>>keep it down during those 3 days but otherwise, I've had nothing.
>>>>>>>>>>I can eat
>>>>>>>>>>a lot of food because some foods have no carbohydrates at all and
>>>>>>>>>>some foods
>>>>>>>>>>even help cancel out other foods you are eating with high carbs
>>>>>>>>>>content. I'm sure others
>>>>>>>>>>on the list who are diabetics can testify to similar experiences.
>>>>>>>>>>About 5
>>>>>>>>>>years ago, when Vicki's husband John had open heart surgery, my
>>>>>>>>>>blood sugar
>>>>>>>>>>was in the 300 range. Now it runs about 107 to 110 unless I eat a
>>>>>>>>>>meal that
>>>>>>>>>>is elevated with high carbs and then it may jump 2 hours later to
>>>>>>>>>>155. It
>>>>>>>>>>quickly drops back down, however, to 102 to 110 after those two
>>>>>>>>>>hours of
>>>>>>>>>>digestion of what I ate. To my amazement, I don't crave food
>>>>>>>>>>except upon occasion and even then, only for brief periods of
>>>>>>>>>>time. Sometimes I forget to eat our evening meal all together. We
>>>>>>>>>>eat our main meal at noon because Sandy used to go to work in the
>>>>>>>>>>middle of the afternoon so we have gotten used to having a big
>>>>>>>>>>meal for our lunch at the noon hour. I've heard people say they
>>>>>>>>>>forget to eat but I never believed it was possible until it began
>>>>>>>>>>happening to me since June first of this year.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Phil.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Doris and Chris"
>>>>>>>>>><[log in to unmask]>
>>>>>>>>>>To: <[log in to unmask]>
>>>>>>>>>>Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2014 7:05 PM
>>>>>>>>>>Subject: Re: Prayer - Attention Doris
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>that would be wonderful and any time we are not sleeping would
>>>>>>>>>>>work. we
>>>>>>>>>>>would like for Chris to be included in prayer sessions as it is
>>>>>>>>>>>him who is
>>>>>>>>>>>facing a lot of responsibility with my diabetes and often does
>>>>>>>>>>>not feel or
>>>>>>>>>>>is not up to it.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Love in Christ,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Doris
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>At 02:08 PM 2014/03/02 -0700, you wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>Sandy is getting better each day but it is a slow process. I
>>>>>>>>>>>>come out to
>>>>>>>>>>>>my office often during most of the day and evening because she
>>>>>>>>>>>>can get
>>>>>>>>>>>>around using her walker and she has learned to walk without the
>>>>>>>>>>>>walker for
>>>>>>>>>>>>short distances. Whenever she needs me, since my office is on
>>>>>>>>>>>>the
>>>>>>>>>>>>opposite side of our home, she just calls me on our cell phones
>>>>>>>>>>>>and I come
>>>>>>>>>>>>running. I'm suggesting, therefore, we can work something out
>>>>>>>>>>>>on skype to
>>>>>>>>>>>>pray and talk sooner than I thought.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Phil.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>I Was Perfect Until I Met Jesus
>>>>>>>>>>>><http://www.SafePlaceFellowship.com>www.SafePlaceFellowship.com
>>>>>>>>>
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