Because God allowed it, doesn't mean that He approved it.
earlier, Angel, wrote:
>We aren't talking about necromancy here. Even if what you say is
>true, God allowed Saul to be visited by Samuel. When he was called
>up from the dead. Also, if it were true, there wouldn't be an
>exhortation and a condemnation for those who actively practice
>necromancy. There are those who claim the spirit of Samuel was
>demonic in origin. But, if one believes totally in sola scriptura,
>as protestants do, the bible doesn't make that clear. Thus
>believing in that leans on protestant interpretation and protestant
>tradition to sustain such belief. In any case, The passage to which
>you refer is that conversation between Abraham and divies. In which
>Divies was requesting father Abraham to do something even the saints
>who have preceded us can not do. Because the saints' job is not to
>evangelize after they have left this world. Nor is it to provide
>room service for those residing in hell. Also, the saints
>regardless where is their residence have no obligation to any who
>are in hell. Also, The story to which you refer was one told by
>Jesus before his great sacrifice for us. Which sacrifice
>transfigured us all forever. Evangelizing is our job alone. As was
>stated in the great commission to the apostles that they go in to
>the whole world and preach the gospel to every creature. On the
>mount of Transfiguration Moses and Elijah was seen on that mount
>talking together with Jesus. Which disproves what you say about
>saints not being mobile between the two worlds. In fact, Saint Peter
>was so moved he suggested a monument should be erected to
>memorialize the occurrence. Further, at least one conversation did
>occur between Divies and father Abraham. As do those between the
>saints and us, assisted by the holy spirit.
>----- Original Message ----- From: "Karen Carter" <[log in to unmask]>
>To: <[log in to unmask]>
>Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2014 1:17 AM
>Subject: Re: Praying to the dead
>
>
>Because there is a big void that seperates them from earth and hell.
>The ones in hell cannot for the sane reason. Only angels and evil
>spirits can come back and forth
>
>Sent from my iPhone
>
>>On Jul 26, 2014, at 1:05 AM, Angel <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>
>>That sort of puts a constraint on just what it is they can do
>>doesn't it? If the angels, who are constantly praising God, as are
>>we here on earth without ceasing, and are given time to constantly
>>serve us as guardian Angels, ministering to our needs. If we can
>>be constantly praising God, both waking and sleeping, while we have
>>jobs and raise families here on earth. Why can't the saints
>>intercede for us in heaven, as we who live here in this plane of
>>existence find time to pray for those on this list who ask for
>>prayer? While still praising God. If we can find time in this
>>temporal world to pray for those who request it of us, then the
>>saints, who live in a timeless eternity surely can devote time,
>>which isn't even an issue for them any longer to pray for
>>us. Especially so, because physical constraints such as the needs
>>presented by the physical body are not issues for them. Constant
>>praise to God in Heaven is understood, and is assumed by us as a
>>primary postulate by all the heavenly host, both angels and saints.
>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Karen Carter" <[log in to unmask]>
>>To: <[log in to unmask]>
>>Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2014 12:38 AM
>>Subject: Re: Praying to the dead
>>
>>
>>They can not intercede for you only Jesus can the saints are in
>>Heaven where you remember the earth know more because you are to
>>busy praising The Lord read Luke 16.
>>
>>Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>>On Jul 25, 2014, at 8:57 PM, Angel <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>>
>>>When the saints either living or dead intercede for us, we aren't
>>>praying to them. Just as I am not praying to you if I were to ask
>>>for your prayers for me. If I were wanting your assistance that I
>>>might endure a difficult time in my life. Also, as the second
>>>McCabe's isn't in your cannon, I won't even expect those
>>>scriptures to cancel out those which you quoted. As they would be
>>>dismissed. I will not engage in an argument regarding something
>>>without a possible satisfactory resolution for either of
>>>us. Prayers aren't offered up to our saints. In the same sense
>>>as I suspect was meant by your post. Rather the saints continue to
>>>exist conjoined with us as does Jesus, and the blessed Theotocos .
>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Karen Carter" <[log in to unmask]>
>>>To: <[log in to unmask]>
>>>Sent: Friday, July 25, 2014 7:11 PM
>>>Subject: Praying to the dead
>>>
>>>
>>>A few verses for those who think you can pray to dead ones. Like
>>>saints or relatives. Isaiah 8:19-20. 19. When someone tells you
>>>to consult mediums and spiritists, who whisper and mutter, should
>>>not a people inquire of their God? Why consult the dead on behalf
>>>of the living. 20. Consult God's instruction and the testimony of
>>>warning. If anyone does not speak according to this word, they
>>>have no light of dawn.
>>>
>>>Sent from my iPhone=
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