Yeah, you'd better wear your bullet-proof vest if you plan to hang out on 
3910.  Some of those guys are very smart, but they're also very strange.

Steve

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Miller" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Monday, April 29, 2013 17:46
Subject: Re: The Sideband War


> For a while 14.275 was no better, I don't know if that crew is still there
> or not I haven't heard them in a while. 3.910 in regions 1 and 2 and some 
> of
> 3 in the US is worse than anything I've heard on 14.313 though. Once in a
> while they have an entertaining discussion, usually when they're all very
> obviously drunk and/or high, and will admit it, but most often, it's 
> idiocy
> at it's finest. Not many of them are running legal band width for SSB, or
> legal power but people for the most part leave them alone. What's funny is
> once I was testing a radio with no voice read out and just stumbled to the
> first signal I heard for a radio check, I was a new ham at the time, it
> turned out to be this bunch in one of their calmer moments and they 
> treated
> me very well. I'd be afraid to go back though now.
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Colin McDonald" <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Monday, April 29, 2013 5:08 PM
> Subject: Re: The Sideband War
>
>
>> That is why I always laugh when some old time ham operator hears about
>> 14.313 and goes on and on at great length about the state of ham radio
>> today
>> etc etc.
>> It's been the same since the beginning lol...nothing changes really as 
>> far
>> as people being people.
>> No kids, no lids, no space cadets.
>> I hear an awful lot of whining that the FCC and industry Canada aren't
>> doing
>> anything about the 14.313 crue...again, this is nothing new and for the
>> most
>> part they are left to their own devices because they're not really
>> bothering
>> anyone except themselves.
>> If they cracked down on the 14.313 gang, they'd have to crack down on
>> hundreds, maybe thousands of others on 75 and 80 who are just as bad.
>> The thing is that those yahoos on 20M can be heard over a much bigger 
>> area
>> than anyone doing the same on 75...so the low band yahoos don't get the
>> notariety that the ve6kfm's of this world get lol.
>> It's like this, if you go to a restaurant, and you don't like the food, 
>> or
>> you think it's just awful, it doesn't mean all restaurants are awful, and
>> it
>> won't effect or somehow impact your favorite restaurant.
>> If you don't like it, don't go there.  It's not like the bad restaurant's
>> food is going to somehow make it's way into your favorite dish at your
>> favorite restaurant.
>> The 14.313ers stay there and you never ever hear those guys on any other
>> frequencies...and if you do, they're behaving themselves.
>>
>>
>> 73
>> Colin, V A6BKX
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Martin G. McCormick" <[log in to unmask]>
>> To: <[log in to unmask]>
>> Sent: Monday, April 29, 2013 2:54 PM
>> Subject: Re: The Sideband War
>>
>>
>>> I was still a SWL in the sixties and remember the
>>> sideband war vividly. It was going on as late as 1968 and 1969
>>> and had all the same trappings as what you hear on 14.313 today.
>>>
>>> There is a subset of amateur operators who think this is
>>> somehow okay. Back then, they were jamming and cursing each
>>> other over sideband versus AM and today, it is the same behavior
>>> over Heaven knows what. It's hard to tell because it just kind
>>> of goes on and on for no particularly good reason.
>>>
>>> The only thing I can say is that when they are all on
>>> 14.313 or 3.850 making fools of themselves, they are off all the
>>> other frequencies and life is more civilized there. Think of it
>>> as kind of a dummy load. Many of them like to use big amplifiers
>>> and, if they would all aim at the same patch of ionosphere, they
>>> could possibly heat it up enough to open up ten meters or maybe
>>> even 6.
>>>
>>> Anyway, the sideband war was just the excuse for rotten
>>> behavior for that day. The same personality types really don't
>>> need an excuse to be idiots so there will always be scoff-laws
>>> who don't really understand what amateur radio is all about.
>>>
>>> Thanks for a good bit of history.
>>>
>>> 73, Martin
>>> "Ronald E. Milliman" writes:
>>>> Re the Sideband war
>>>>
>>>> When sideband was first introduced, it was double sideband; that is,
>>>> both
>>>> sidebands were transmitted, but the carrier was suppressed. Thus, the
>>>> signal still took up about the same bandwidth, but all of the
>>>> transmitting
>>>> energy was put in the audio component of the signal and not wasting
>>>> power
>>>> in the production and transmission of an unnecessary carrier.
>>>
>