My skirting is easy to remove and put back so I just took it off, there's a 
rail at the bottom to keep the skirting in place, I shoved the wire through 
under that rail, put the skirting back and it worked very well. Some people 
have pavement under trailers, I wish I did in a way and that might be harder 
for radials but we have dirt here and the house itself is on cinderblocks 
and it looks like a couple jack stands though I don't know if they're 
holding the place up or something left behind yet I haven't been under far 
enough to look, I know I have jack stands of my own under there but they're 
obviously not holding the place up. I had a friend eyeball underneath before 
I go under for anything in case there are surprises I should know about, and 
there were but not the type I was worried about so he gave me a good idea 
what's there.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Harry Brown" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2012 11:23 PM
Subject: Re: apartment dwelling antennas


> Hi John,
> Well, if you do look into and buy the ldg verticle in the future, my =
> goodness, yes, let us all know how ya like it!
> Yeah, I can't remember what my ham friend did with the skurting on his =
> trailler. I think he left it on though. But knowing what you did with =
> your skurting, and radials, I just wonder how good that antenna would =
> have worked on his trailler with radials! And I bet it would have been =
> great!
> Trippy, ac8s
>  ----- Original Message -----=20
>  From: John Miller=20
>  To: [log in to unmask]
>  Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2012 9:46 PM
>  Subject: Re: apartment dwelling antennas
>
>
>  LDG didn't make antennas until very recently when they bought an =
> antenna=20
>  manufacturer. I think they substitute radials with coils of wire of =
> some=20
>  sort, something I'm interested in looking in to. I ran a lot of =
> radials=20
>  under my home, being in a trailer, if they want to call it that this =
> thing=20
>  is never moving, but I got the skirting out of the way  near the =
> antenna and=20
>  ran radials underneath then put the skirting back  and that seems to =
> have=20
>  worked out well. Some people store stuff under there but it's not =
> secure so=20
>  while I have a few things under one section of it, it's not that area =
> so it=20
>  works out well.
>  ----- Original Message -----=20
>  From: "Harry Brown" <[log in to unmask]>
>  To: <[log in to unmask]>
>  Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2012 3:41 PM
>  Subject: Re: apartment dwelling antennas
>
>
>  > Hi John,
>  > Man, that is so great!
>  > I'm glad it's working on all bands!
>  > Yeah, I know, radials are something else!
>  > I have a friend on this list, and he use to live up north and had a =
> =3D
>  > hygain ground mounted verticle, and I don't think it had any radials =
> on =3D
>  > it. It worked on 10 through 40, but not on 80!
>  > He was in a moble home park, and there was just not enough room for =
> =3D
>  > those darn radials!
>  > In one of the handiham weekly eletters, Pat, wa0TDA, had an article =
> =3D
>  > about getting on hf, and he mentions a 43 foot verticle, made by =
> ldg, (I =3D
>  > didn't even know they made verticles!), which needs no radials!
>  > I never used it, but that would be awesome if it is true!
>  > Well, you keep us out here informed on how that progress is going =
> for =3D
>  > antennas there!
>  > Trippy, ac8s
>  >  ----- Original Message -----=3D20
>  >  From: John Miller=3D20
>  >  To: [log in to unmask]
>  >  Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2012 3:25 PM
>  >  Subject: Re: apartment dwelling antennas
>  >
>  >
>  >  I have the hustler 5BTV which works on 10, 15, 20, 40 and 75 =
> meters. I =3D
>  > have
>  >  the add on for 17 as well but had trouble with it, got the antenna =
> =3D
>  > working
>  >  without it and have cleaned it up and am ready to try it again I =
> just
>  >  haven't had a chance since that will mean completely retuning the =
> =3D
>  > antenna.
>  >  It claims it will work without radials but I tried it without just =
> to =3D
>  > get it
>  >  tuned and the swr was off the chart on 40 and 75 so I put some =
> radials =3D
>  > down,
>  >  set it back where it was marked for when I got it and I only had to =
> =3D
>  > adjust
>  >  one band a little bit and everything fell right in great. I only =
> have =3D
>  > 15
>  >  radials down now and will be doubling that at least come fall but =
> for =3D
>  > now it
>  >  works, the only band I don't do much on is 10 meters and being 6 =
> feet =3D
>  > from a
>  >  metal building and 10 feet from a metal shed, I'm surprised the swr =
> is =3D
>  > good
>  >  but it's perfect. Ground mounting doesn't help either for 10 meters =
> =3D
>  > which
>  >  only uses the bottom portion of the antenna but that's alright, I =
> have =3D
>  > a 102
>  >  inch whip on the railing to use on 10 meters and I hope to get that =
> up =3D
>  > on
>  >  the metal side of the house when this heat wave ends here. No =
> vertical =3D
>  > that
>  >  I know of really works without radials with the exception of some =
> CB
>  >  antennas people use for 10 meters through 17 or 20 but for the =
> ground
>  >  mounted and multiband verticals, I don't know anyone who's made one =
> =3D
>  > work
>  >  with no radials and the more the better. I'm thinking 30 will be =
> =3D
>  > enough for
>  >  me and as many as I can realistically put down. It would have been =
> fun =3D
>  > where
>  >  I used to live though with the swamp out back, and in wet lands, I =
> =3D
>  > don't
>  >  think radials would have been needed there. Here they are though =
> but =3D
>  > it
>  >  plays pretty well right now as is.
>  >  ----- Original Message -----=3D20
>  >  From: "Harry Brown" <[log in to unmask]>
>  >  To: <[log in to unmask]>
>  >  Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2012 1:44 PM
>  >  Subject: Re: apartment dwelling antennas
>  >
>  >
>  >  > Hi John,
>  >  > Oh man, pal, loved your post!
>  >  > So, it's a ground mounted verticle, huh?
>  >  > Maybe you mentioned this already, I just can't remember, which =
> =3D
>  > verticle =3D3D
>  >  > do you have? What bands is it used on? Do you need radials?
>  >  > I loved my hygain 14avq ground mounted verticle, that's the =
> antenna =3D
>  > I =3D3D
>  >  > was 59 pluses on 40 through 10, and 53s to 57s, on 80! I don't =
> =3D
>  > remember =3D3D
>  >  > if it had radials on it though.
>  >  > Thanks for sharing that post!
>  >  > 73,
>  >  > Trippy, ac8s
>  >  >