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Yes, but wireless routers don't operate in the commercial FM broadcast band. 
That said, I really don't know what the current rules say, although I am 
pretty sure that even low-power stations operating in the commercial 
broadcast band have to be licensed.

Steve

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Colin McDonald" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2013 19:37
Subject: Re: FM Transmitter Issues And Questions


> of course it's not as cut and dried as that these days because most 
> wireless
> routers well exceed 100 feet, and you certainly don't need a license for
> those.
> I was under the impression that you could run an experimental FM broadcast
> station without a license as long as it was less than 30 watts or 
> something?
> The concept being that a 30 watt station would not be able to compete
> whatsoever with a 10 thousand watt broadcast transmitter, so there would 
> be
> no real problem with interference or competition in the market.
> Maybe that is only in Canada.
>
> 73
> Colin, V A6BKX
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Steve Dresser" <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2013 7:30 AM
> Subject: Re: FM Transmitter Issues And Questions
>
>
>> Colin,
>>
>> At one time, the rule was that an unlicensed transmitter should not
>> radiate
>> more than 100 feet, so any combination of power or antenna that caused 
>> its
>> range to exceed 100 feet constituted illegal operation.  Today, the issue
>> has been muddied by the permission of "low power" operation on the FM
>> band,
>> but I'm pretty sure that a license is still required for such operation.
>> I'm guessing that the 7-watt transmitter under discussion is marketed for
>> "low power" operation, which probably won't let you off the hook if the
>> FCC
>> catches you operating one without the correct license.  However, I doubt
>> that they'll be beating on our doors unless they get complaints, which is
>> highly unlikely.  Even then, from what I've heard, they give you several
>> warnings before they lower the boom.
>>
>> Steve
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Colin McDonald" <[log in to unmask]>
>> To: <[log in to unmask]>
>> Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2013 04:53
>> Subject: Re: FM Transmitter Issues And Questions
>>
>>
>>> ok, if he shouldn't need to be told, then why are you taking it upon
>>> yourself to tell him?
>>> why is there this perspective that these things are some how illegal? 
>>> and
>>> who said you can't use properly tuned, or even gain antennas on them?
>>> Please note the area of the appropriate regulations that state this
>>> before
>>> assuming it's illegal because you think it ot to be.
>>> Obviously C crane and other companies wouldn't be allowed to sell these
>>> units on the open market if they were illegal...especially since you say
>>> the
>>> FCC watches FM broadcast so closely.  I highly doubt, if these units 
>>> were
>>> illegal in anyway, or the after market antennas were illegal, that
>>> something
>>> so obvious would slip past the regulatory body that is keeping such a
>>> close
>>> eye.
>>> Not to mention keeping a close eye on a small internet email list hi hi.
>>> that's just paranoya...but I digress.
>>>
>>> 73
>>> Colin, V A6BKX
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "Michael Thurman" <[log in to unmask]>
>>> To: <[log in to unmask]>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2013 5:41 PM
>>> Subject: Re: FM Transmitter Issues And Questions
>>>
>>>
>>>>I would be incredibly careful saying how much power and what antenna you
>>>>=
>>>> are using unless you want a visit from the fcc as they do take fm =
>>>> broadcast stuff very seriously. please be careful, and as a ham you =
>>>> should no tneed to be told to be careful
>>>> On Mar 12, 2013, at 10:26 AM, Butch Bussen <[log in to unmask]> =
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> With mine on high  hpower, not sure if we have the same transmitter, =
>>>> got=20
>>>>> mine on ebay, my ifr shows it putting out 8 watts, and on my
>>>>> quarter=20=
>>>>
>>>>> wave whip on my metal roof, I get around 5 mmiles.
>>>>> 73
>>>>> Butch
>>>>> WA0VJR
>>>>> Node 3148
>>>>> Wallace, ks.
>>>>>=20
>>>>>=20
>>>>> On Tue, 12 Mar 2013, Ron=20
>>>>> Canazzi wrote:
>>>>>=20
>>>>>> Hi Jim,
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> As of yet, I haven't done the range check.  I am still running it on 
>>>>>> =
>>>> 1 watt
>>>>>> because it is fine at that level.  Some day when I get real brave, =
>>>> I'll put
>>>>>> it up to 7 watts and walk around the neighborhood to see just what it
>>>>>> =
>>>> can
>>>>>> do.  Who know, I might even hook it up to my Channel Master scanner =
>>>> antenna
>>>>>> on high power for a short time to see if it actually reaches to the =
>>>> tenths
>>>>>> of miles in range--though I must be careful about the match on that =
>>>> older
>>>>>> antenna.  I am running it at 87.5 mHz--the lowest frequency that most
>>>>>> =
>>>> FM
>>>>>> receivers will receive so as to not arouse any outside interest =
>>>> <laugh>.
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: "Jim Gammon" <[log in to unmask]>
>>>>>> To: <[log in to unmask]>
>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2013 1:29 AM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: FM Transmitter Issues And Questions
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> Hey, that's great.  Have you done a range check to see how far
>>>>>> you can hear your signal? Jim WA6EKS
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: Ron Canazzi <[log in to unmask]
>>>>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>>>>> Date sent: Tue, 12 Mar 2013 00:47:38 -0400
>>>>>> Subject: Re: FM Transmitter Issues And Questions
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> Hi Group,
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> Thanks for all the suggestions.  I have pretty much solved the
>>>>>> issue by
>>>>>> moving the transmitter as far away from the computer and speakers
>>>>>> as
>>>>>> possible.  I think I might have to get it a bit further because
>>>>>> at times I
>>>>>> still hear a bit of hum, but at least about 90% of the issue is
>>>>>> gone.  I
>>>>>> have a 6 foot audio cable.  Maybe I should get 1 a bit
>>>>>> longer--perhaps 8 or
>>>>>> 10 feet.
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: "Jim Gammon" <[log in to unmask]
>>>>>> To: <[log in to unmask]
>>>>>> Sent: Monday, March 11, 2013 11:29 AM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: FM Transmitter Issues And Questions
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> Pretty sure there is no conflict between WiFi and the FM
>>>>>> transmitter.  I would be surprised if that was the case.  Jim
>>>>>> WA6EKS
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: Curtis Delzer <[log in to unmask]
>>>>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>>>>> Date sent: Mon, 11 Mar 2013 07:39:35 -0700
>>>>>> Subject: Re: FM Transmitter Issues And Questions
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> it might be picking up the pulsations from your WIFI setup.  try
>>>>>> temporarily turning that off and see if it goes away.
>>>>>> if it does, try using the transmitter further away from your
>>>>>> modem? router?
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> At 11:05 PM 03/10/13, you wrote:
>>>>>>    Hi list,
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> Since this is one of the lists where I got information about an
>>>>>> FM
>>>>>> transmitter for feeding audio from my computer to FM receivers
>>>>>> through out
>>>>>> my house and property, I thought I would inquire here again.
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> I have purchased the Sansonic FM transmitter that someone
>>>>>> referenced on this
>>>>>> list a few months ago.  It does a real nice job with meeting my
>>>>>> requirements
>>>>>> of clear and clean signals through out my property.  However, I
>>>>>> have run
>>>>>> into one problem.  I have the transmitter fairly close to the
>>>>>> computer from
>>>>>> which I am running the audio.  It is about 4 feet away from the
>>>>>> computer.  I
>>>>>> am getting a pulsating hum through the computer speakers when the
>>>>>> transmitter is operating.  The transmitter runs from 1 to 7
>>>>>> watts.  In light
>>>>>> of the issue, I don't dare put the power any higher than 1
>>>>>> watt--and I
>>>>>> really don't need to anyway.
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> What can I do to solve this problem?  Any help would be greatly
>>>>>> appreciated.
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>=20
>>>
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