Michael,

Looked you up on QRZ got the address, looked it up on Google, however, the 
photograph of your address was out of focus, was clear about a block and 
half away.  Go figure!

That area in the back yard sounds pretty good.

You could bury the radials immediately. Lay them out on the ground, 
temporarily stake them with something at the far end if they are straight, 
and than make a slot in the grass along the wire with a small hand trowel 
about 1 inch deep, push the wire down into the slots and walk on the area 
and it may not be possible to tell where they are immediately.  Definitely 
won't in a few days.

Can also bury the coax the same way.

There are techniques to get the cable (coax) under the walkway, without 
doing anything to the walkway, however, you may need to hire someone with 
the equipment to do this.  Being optimistic, if you go this way, install a 
small conduit under the walkway so the cable can be replaced if necessary.

    Any small digging required will not be noticed after a few weeks.

With the proper approach you may be able to win over the owners.

If your owners are computer users, you may find a few websites for them to 
visit to learn what Amateur Radio is all about, especially the good will in 
times of disasters.

In case you can't tell, I am the optimistic type.

Howard #3

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Michael Ryan" <[log in to unmask]>
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Sent: Friday, November 23, 2012 9:06 AM
Subject: Fwd: Re_stairwell description


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>> From: Michael Ryan <[log in to unmask]>
>> Date: 23 November, 2012 11:32:26 AM NST
>> To: Michael Ryan <[log in to unmask]>
>> Subject: Re_stairwell description
>>
>> Hi Howard # 3:
>>
>> My address is:
>>
>> 96 A  Milton Rd.
>> Paradise NL Canada,
>> A1L 2K5
>>
>> We've been living here almost 3 years. The driveway and walkway are 
>> Asphalt and the grass follows and turns with the walkway.
>> There's a fence that surrounds the property, 2 sheds in the backyard and 
>> I would guess the backyard, which is total grass is about maybe 50 or so 
>> feet long and perhaps 40 feet wide.
>> They don't use the backyard all that much except to keep it nice and tidy 
>> for the neighbourhood. LOL They are the type of people who wouldn't want 
>> to see Coax going from a fence for example, running under the patio into 
>> the apartment.
>> Likewise 20 or 30 25 foot radials spread out even though you could pin 
>> them down to the point where they'd be covered up by the next growth of 
>> grass. I'm thinking that if my antenna was contained to the stairwell 
>> area, mounted to the perimeter railing and 1 or 2 radials placed behind 
>> the antenna to run around the railing might be ok.
>> Also, if my coax simply runs under the door and not drilled, that may do 
>> as well. I really got to educate them on this though because their 
>> impression of Ham Radio might be CB. So we'll have to see and I'll have 
>> to get some pics of a vertical installation.
>>
>> Hope this helps & 73:
>>
>> Michael DE VO1AX
>>
>>