I personally believe that life starts when an egg is dertilized. as a
human being it is holy the same as every other creature god created.
I differ from angel only in that I do not think it right to have
a father be forced to decide between the life of his wife and his
unborn child when that is god's decision in the first place.
Love,
Doris
At 04:18 PM 2014/03/05 -0600, you wrote:
>I'm just really curious, not trying to be a smart ass here, but have
>they figured out, yet, when does life begin? When does the soul
>enter the fetus? Is it immediately at conception, or, could it
>possibly be when that child actually takes it's first breath? I ask
>this, because It says in Genesis that Adam became a living being
>when God breathed into him the breath of life. I can't say I believe
>either way, but I have friends who actually believe that the person
>doesn't be come a total living person with a soul until they take
>their first breath of life.
>
>Bev
>
>----- Original Message ----- From: "Angel" <[log in to unmask]>
>To: <[log in to unmask]>
>Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2014 7:15 PM
>Subject: Re: Prayer - Attention Doris
>
>
>>What we are talking about here is the circumventing of the
>>religious freedom of others not to pay for what it is they don't
>>believe. Upon religious freedom was what this country was
>>founded. It is the same as our president saying ministers and
>>priests, and caterers, and hotel owners have to accommodate by law
>>same sex couples against their religious principles. Upon the point
>>of punishment. While at the same time saying Moslems shouldn't be
>>let go from their jobs. If they, for their religious reasons
>>refuse to deliver alcohol in the trucks they drive. Why should
>>businesses which hire them allow for their religious preference
>>when they don't allow solid Christian people the same right? Gods
>>first commandment to mankind was to "be fruitful and to multiply.
>> From the time an egg is fertilized in the womb it is a
>> person. With the same rights as any of us. God told Jeremiah he
>> knew him while he was still in the womb. Do you think his
>> knowledge extended to him alone? I don't. When a man and woman
>> engage in sexual congress with each other there are three involved
>> in that union. The man, the woman, and God. It is he who decides
>> whether fertilization ought to take place, and has a soul prepared
>> for all whom he wishes to live on this earth. Along with a
>> guardian angel to protect him from harm at all times. There are
>> those who have been fortunate enough to have seen their angels. I
>> know such a person. Just ask Phil concerning his dear grand
>> son. His personal angel must have been there watching over him
>> from the time he was beaten till the glorious day he made a full
>> recovery. God has a plan for each of us, and cares enough for
>> each of us to see we will have all we need.
>>Jesus said as much when he pointed out the lily's of the field, and
>>their beauty, and said God knew the smallest thing concerning each
>>of us. We know this because he gave his only begotten son that we
>>might not die the death of sinners, and be separated from his
>>divine presence for eternity. If we acknowledge this. Who are we
>>to assume we know better than does he, and use some artificial
>>means to attempt to thwart his divine plan for our progeny. Hasn't
>>he done so much for us that we need to make his job of carrying out
>>his sovereign will more difficult for him. Why would we even think
>>of trying to second guess a God who sacrificed so much for us. Or
>>why would we force people who do believe this to pay for others to
>>try to thwart Gods will.
>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Doris and Chris" <[log in to unmask]>
>>To: <[log in to unmask]>
>>Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2014 7:00 PM
>>Subject: Re: Prayer - Attention Doris
>>
>>
>>>Amen. I am not sure I will ever become a catholic but I surely
>>>find my own faith a lot more reflected in catholicism than with
>>>fundamentalist evangelical teaching.
>>>
>>>should i even mention this: I do not view the birth control bill
>>>as abortion as this is imo dublicating a natural process of a
>>>human - even fertilized - egg not taking to nesting in the womb
>>>and growing to term.
>>>
>>>hugs,
>>>
>>>Doris
>>>
>>>At 10:20 AM 2014/03/04 -0500, you wrote:
>>>>No they aren't in conflict. I think our origins are irrelevant
>>>>to me. Understanding our origins will not, as far as I can tell,
>>>>assist me in my successful journey toward heaven. So, why should
>>>>I care either way. I understand we share common elements because
>>>>we share life with lower animals and with plants. It is our
>>>>commonality which causes us to interact so smoothly with domestic
>>>>animals. who make our lives easier by working for us. An
>>>>example of which is the Guide dog or guide horse. Or those dogs
>>>>used to herd animals. Thus making our human work and lleasure
>>>>easier. Studding what we hold in common with lower animals and
>>>>plants also makes it an easier thing to more perfectly understand ourselves.
>>>>Which is why medical science was able to make the progress it did
>>>>before it was legal to dissect the human cadaver. Thus the
>>>>commonality we share with lower creatures and with plants was
>>>>designed to provide for us a more perfect understanding of how it
>>>>was God created us all. It also gives to us a more perfect
>>>>understanding of our intellectual processes. Because each fully
>>>>formed concept goes through a similar creative process as God
>>>>expressed when he created the universe. Which is why we are
>>>>created in Gods image. As we are the only creatures with the
>>>>ability to understand and to use intellect, and to create as does
>>>>He. This is why Satan can only get his will to be done on earth.
>>>>Because he can only do so through manipulation of us through the
>>>>use of the human weaknesses, and ignorance with which we are all
>>>>plagued. As he needs us to partner with him.
>>>>He can not create as can we.
>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Doris and Chris" <[log in to unmask]>
>>>>To: <[log in to unmask]>
>>>>Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2014 9:00 AM
>>>>Subject: Re: Prayer - Attention Doris
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>actually, we share 98.7 % of the same dna according to francis
>>>>>collins. *g*
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>for me, my faith and my interest in evolution are no conflict.
>>>>>are they for you?
>>>>>
>>>>>hugs,
>>>>>
>>>>>Doris
>>>>>
>>>>>for At 06:21 AM 2014/03/04 -0500, you wrote:
>>>>>>Why do the grate apes live on bananas and aren't diabetic or
>>>>>>depressed? The grate apes have 97 percent of human DNA. So,
>>>>>>they can properly be chosen as examples. Why, when we
>>>>>>domesticate animals are they infected by all sorts of
>>>>>>human diseases unknown to them in the wild? One should never
>>>>>>depend on personal likes and dislikes to determine what one
>>>>>>eats. Rather one should only eat what is best for the optimal
>>>>>>functioning of our bodies and our brains. One should never
>>>>>>burden our internal organs with unnecessary work. As we do when
>>>>>>we eat more sugar than our cells can properly absorb. Because
>>>>>>as all things die, too much overwork can cause organs to
>>>>>>prematurely die before the rest of our bodies do. We wouldn't
>>>>>>ask our friends or our family to do more work than they can
>>>>>>safely and healthily do. Particularly if they are as good to
>>>>>>us as are our internal organs. Then why should we expect our
>>>>>>liver or our kidneys or pancreas to do more work than they need
>>>>>>to do to keep our bodies functioning? Since I heard of more and
>>>>>>more people being somehow drug dependent, and having to depend
>>>>>>for their existence on physicians, and getting type II diabetes
>>>>>>I have asked myself these questions.
>>>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Doris and Chris" <[log in to unmask]>
>>>>>>To: <[log in to unmask]>
>>>>>>Sent: Monday, March 03, 2014 11:30 PM
>>>>>>Subject: Re: Prayer - Attention Doris
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>strawberries, grapes and bananas, while healthy in their own
>>>>>>>right in moderation, are rich in fast carbs and thus not the
>>>>>>>kind of food a diabetic should have a lot of.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>a lot of things simply take a while for the body to adjust to.
>>>>>>>it does with me. I always went potty more than once a day but
>>>>>>>doing it a lot more often now. *g* chris is watching my input
>>>>>>>and output and while I am quite productive currently, it is
>>>>>>>not the runs. If you want to live healthily, you will just
>>>>>>>have to teach your body to like what is good for it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>This does work as i did it once before long before I was
>>>>>>>diabetic to ward off a chronic candida (yeast) infection where
>>>>>>>I was allergic to several of the antifungal grugs used.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>praying for you!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Doris and chris
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>At 09:35 PM 2014/03/03 -0600, you wrote:
>>>>>>>>I have to ask, what kinds of foods make a person feel more
>>>>>>>>full? I know I eat way too much carbs, but I don't seem to
>>>>>>>>know what else to eat. I like vegetables, but raw vegetables
>>>>>>>>seem to give me more tummy issues than they're worth. I'm
>>>>>>>>having a horrible time knowing what to eat. I don't like much
>>>>>>>>in the way of fresh fruit. I do like apples, grapes and
>>>>>>>>strawberries, but there aren't many other fresh fruits I like.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Bev
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Doris and Chris"
>>>>>>>><[log in to unmask]>
>>>>>>>>To: <[log in to unmask]>
>>>>>>>>Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2014 10:23 PM
>>>>>>>>Subject: Re: Prayer - Attention Doris
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Hi, Phil,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Oh, the many things I learned to enjoy and eat while in the
>>>>>>>>>hospital have me full and not craving any sweets and I have
>>>>>>>>>been losing weight. Some of my clothes now seem almost like
>>>>>>>>>a before and after commercial from some fad diet but they are not.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>some of you have been personal friends and prayer partners
>>>>>>>>>for many years. if things do get personal, I likewise will
>>>>>>>>>use pm but with my diabetes, i am encouraged to learn
>>>>>>>>>different people;s experiences.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>since i never liked most sweets I should be fine. oh, and in
>>>>>>>>>germany, traditionally with most people the main meal is eaten around midday.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>praying for just the right job or volunteer opportunity for
>>>>>>>>>ms sandy and a contued gute besserung according to gods will
>>>>>>>>>for the both of you.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>hugs,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Doris and chris
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>At 08:58 PM 2014/03/02 -0700, you wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>Doris,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>We can easily work something out. Does Germany have more
>>>>>>>>>>than one time zone
>>>>>>>>>>like the states having 4 time zones? According to my
>>>>>>>>>>iPhone, Berlin is 8
>>>>>>>>>>hours ahead of the Mountain Time Zone which I am in. I
>>>>>>>>>>don't know where you live from
>>>>>>>>>>Berlin's. I'm guessing therefore, we are 7 or 8 hours apart and I
>>>>>>>>>>am behind you in time, of course. I'd enjoy talking to
>>>>>>>>>>Chris as well and
>>>>>>>>>>praying together, for that matter, too. I'm posting openly
>>>>>>>>>>on the list so
>>>>>>>>>>others can participate but otherwise, when things become
>>>>>>>>>>more personal, I'll
>>>>>>>>>>write privately offlist. I haven't been on my diabetes
>>>>>>>>>>oral medication for
>>>>>>>>>>3 weeks due to my weight loss and my low carb style of
>>>>>>>>>>eating. I have done
>>>>>>>>>>no exercising other than walking which I just started a
>>>>>>>>>>couple of days ago.
>>>>>>>>>>So, I lost 50 pounds in 5 months without being hungry and without
>>>>>>>>>>exercising. Now I'm on the second half of my diet and off
>>>>>>>>>>the medication
>>>>>>>>>>for the high blood sugar so we can talk more about that
>>>>>>>>>>later. I have been
>>>>>>>>>>checking my sugar levels with my talking glucomitor a
>>>>>>>>>>couple of times each
>>>>>>>>>>day to make sure nothing gets out of control but I know now
>>>>>>>>>>what I can eat,
>>>>>>>>>>and not eat, to control the numbers. My sugar levels are
>>>>>>>>>>normal and have
>>>>>>>>>>been these last few weeks. I go to my doctor in a week for
>>>>>>>>>>an A1C blood
>>>>>>>>>>test but the levels have been normal for the past two years
>>>>>>>>>>so he moved me
>>>>>>>>>>from 3 months to 6 months apart for the A1C test to gives
>>>>>>>>>>them the accurate
>>>>>>>>>>reading over any period of time. My blood sugar levels
>>>>>>>>>>were in the high
>>>>>>>>>>rage during the 3 days I was in the hospital because they
>>>>>>>>>>were giving me
>>>>>>>>>>steroids to assist in the healing of my spine so they gave
>>>>>>>>>>me shots to help
>>>>>>>>>>keep it down during those 3 days but otherwise, I've had
>>>>>>>>>>nothing. I can eat
>>>>>>>>>>a lot of food because some foods have no carbohydrates at
>>>>>>>>>>all and some foods
>>>>>>>>>>even help cancel out other foods you are eating with high
>>>>>>>>>>carbs content. I'm sure others
>>>>>>>>>>on the list who are diabetics can testify to similar
>>>>>>>>>>experiences. About 5
>>>>>>>>>>years ago, when Vicki's husband John had open heart
>>>>>>>>>>surgery, my blood sugar
>>>>>>>>>>was in the 300 range. Now it runs about 107 to 110 unless
>>>>>>>>>>I eat a meal that
>>>>>>>>>>is elevated with high carbs and then it may jump 2 hours
>>>>>>>>>>later to 155. It
>>>>>>>>>>quickly drops back down, however, to 102 to 110 after those
>>>>>>>>>>two hours of
>>>>>>>>>>digestion of what I ate. To my amazement, I don't crave
>>>>>>>>>>food except upon occasion and even then, only for brief
>>>>>>>>>>periods of time. Sometimes I forget to eat our evening meal
>>>>>>>>>>all together. We eat our main meal at noon because Sandy
>>>>>>>>>>used to go to work in the middle of the afternoon so we
>>>>>>>>>>have gotten used to having a big meal for our lunch at the
>>>>>>>>>>noon hour. I've heard people say they forget to eat but I
>>>>>>>>>>never believed it was possible until it began happening to
>>>>>>>>>>me since June first of this year.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Phil.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Doris and Chris"
>>>>>>>>>><[log in to unmask]>
>>>>>>>>>>To: <[log in to unmask]>
>>>>>>>>>>Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2014 7:05 PM
>>>>>>>>>>Subject: Re: Prayer - Attention Doris
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>that would be wonderful and any time we are not sleeping
>>>>>>>>>>>would work. we
>>>>>>>>>>>would like for Chris to be included in prayer sessions as
>>>>>>>>>>>it is him who is
>>>>>>>>>>>facing a lot of responsibility with my diabetes and often
>>>>>>>>>>>does not feel or
>>>>>>>>>>>is not up to it.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Love in Christ,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Doris
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>At 02:08 PM 2014/03/02 -0700, you wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>Sandy is getting better each day but it is a slow
>>>>>>>>>>>>process. I come out to
>>>>>>>>>>>>my office often during most of the day and evening
>>>>>>>>>>>>because she can get
>>>>>>>>>>>>around using her walker and she has learned to walk
>>>>>>>>>>>>without the walker for
>>>>>>>>>>>>short distances. Whenever she needs me, since my office is on the
>>>>>>>>>>>>opposite side of our home, she just calls me on our cell
>>>>>>>>>>>>phones and I come
>>>>>>>>>>>>running. I'm suggesting, therefore, we can work
>>>>>>>>>>>>something out on skype to
>>>>>>>>>>>>pray and talk sooner than I thought.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Phil.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>I Was Perfect Until I Met Jesus
>>>>>>>>>>>><http://www.SafePlaceFellowship.com>www.SafePlaceFellowship.com
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
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