Doris,

Let me think about how I am going to explain the difference and then I'll 
post it to the list.  I saw your message last night but I was going to bed 
and thought I'd wait.  I want to explain it in a way that doesn't confuse 
the issue.  Again, I write about some of this in my booklet called "When 
Baptists Speak In Tongues," which isn't very long and explain the difference 
to some degree but since we have an ongoing discussion about prayer, this 
all fits in.

Phil.




----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Doris and Chris" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2013 11:52 PM
Subject: Re: Pray Without Ceasing - Tongues?


>I am not sure I understand the difference other t that you were older and 
>therefoere maybe more aware of the Spirit's presence in a given situation.
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> At 09:16 PM 8/14/2013 -0600, you wrote:
>>Doris,
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>>There is an indwelling, which occurs at the moment of salvation, and an 
>>infilling which is what I experienced when I was 30.
>>
>>Phil.
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>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Doris and Chris" <[log in to unmask]>
>>To: <[log in to unmask]>
>>Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2013 1:55 PM
>>Subject: Re: Pray Without Ceasing - Tongues?
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>>>I am absolutely sure, Mr. Phil, that you were filled with the spirit 
>>>before age 30 because if I remember correctly, you became a Christian 
>>>much longer
>>>
>>>Hugs,
>>>
>>>Doris
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>>>and every Christian is indwelt by the spirit.
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>>>At 01:50 PM 8/14/2013 -0600, you wrote:
>>>>Doris,
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>>>>I was filled with the Holy Spirit at age 30 by myself in the basement of 
>>>>my home.  I never spoke in tongues until three years later.
>>>>
>>>>Phil.
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>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Doris and Chris" <[log in to unmask]>
>>>>To: <[log in to unmask]>
>>>>Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2013 1:35 PM
>>>>Subject: Re: Pray Without Ceasing - Tongues?
>>>>
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>>>>>That's what the Lord tells me in my middle when I talk to him. The 
>>>>>little tradition I come from, rejects speaking in tongues while several 
>>>>>of my friends insnist on it being a sign of a true born-again 
>>>>>Christian.  I think one is as wrong as the other.
>>>>>
>>>>>I've  never personally felt the need or desire to speak in tongues but 
>>>>>am glad for th ose who find expression and access to God when they use 
>>>>>the gift.
>>>>>Actually, as a much younger Christian I sometimes longed for the gift 
>>>>>of tongues when I feltI had no words or may prayer just went to the 
>>>>>ceiling or lower still , i wished I could speak in tongues. Today I 
>>>>>think that when it gets to middle stuff, I think a lot of that is 
>>>>>beyond words anyway. A lot of deep stuff is. Often with Chrhis and me, 
>>>>>we know what the other thinks anyway and there is no need for words. 
>>>>>Sometimes when I share deep with Papito, I ask him if he can see my 
>>>>>middle and even more often he does and sometimes before I do like a 
>>>>>daddy does. And if people like Chris or Papito don't - and Ned doesn't 
>>>>>believe in angel speak but just in "tongues" as being able to speak 
>>>>>other languages like Spanish or German - then Mr. God sure doesn't 
>>>>>because he is in the middle and all around and he made us in the first 
>>>>>place knitting needles and all. The gifts we get are to help us to help 
>>>>>God do his God stuff whether Angel Speak so we have a channel for 
>>>>>beyond words stuff if that helps us because God's loves to hear from us 
>>>>>or whether it is the gift of using languages to preach to other 
>>>>>people - or, I bet, language in any sense not just for preaching but 
>>>>>for writing and writing songs and music and painting with words in 
>>>>>whatever form.
>>>>>
>>>>>Isn't there some song about one's life being a song or prayer to God in 
>>>>>the first place? I have half-remembered lyrics in the back of my mind 
>>>>>ever since us starting this subject - not tongues but the ceaseless 
>>>>>prayer - but I don't remember lyrics really nor a tune. Oh well.
>>>>>
>>>>>Thanks for your confirmation on the subject, Mr. Phil.
>>>>>
>>>>>In his loving grip!
>>>>>
>>>>>Doris
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>At 12:31 PM 8/14/2013 -0600, you wrote:
>>>>>>Doris,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>You are correct.  Tongues is a spiritual gift, which means, no one 
>>>>>>needs, or has to, speak in tongues.  It belongs in the prayer category 
>>>>>>due to its twofold nature.  However, anyone who says you have to speak 
>>>>>>in tongues for any reason isn't interpreting Scripture correctly. 
>>>>>>Pray without ceasing isn't tongues but it could be used at times in 
>>>>>>the process; it's just not a requirement.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Phil.
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