I am not sure I understand the difference other t that you were older 
and therefoere maybe more aware of the Spirit's presence in a given situation.

Doris





At 09:16 PM 8/14/2013 -0600, you wrote:
>Doris,
>
>There is an indwelling, which occurs at the moment of salvation, and 
>an infilling which is what I experienced when I was 30.
>
>Phil.
>
>
>
>
>----- Original Message ----- From: "Doris and Chris" <[log in to unmask]>
>To: <[log in to unmask]>
>Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2013 1:55 PM
>Subject: Re: Pray Without Ceasing - Tongues?
>
>
>>I am absolutely sure, Mr. Phil, that you were filled with the 
>>spirit before age 30 because if I remember correctly, you became a 
>>Christian much longer
>>
>>Hugs,
>>
>>Doris
>>
>>and every Christian is indwelt by the spirit.
>>
>>
>>At 01:50 PM 8/14/2013 -0600, you wrote:
>>>Doris,
>>>
>>>I was filled with the Holy Spirit at age 30 by myself in the 
>>>basement of my home.  I never spoke in tongues until three years later.
>>>
>>>Phil.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Doris and Chris" <[log in to unmask]>
>>>To: <[log in to unmask]>
>>>Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2013 1:35 PM
>>>Subject: Re: Pray Without Ceasing - Tongues?
>>>
>>>
>>>>That's what the Lord tells me in my middle when I talk to him. 
>>>>The little tradition I come from, rejects speaking in tongues 
>>>>while several of my friends insnist on it being a sign of a true 
>>>>born-again Christian.  I think one is as wrong as the other.
>>>>
>>>>I've  never personally felt the need or desire to speak in 
>>>>tongues but am glad for th ose who find expression and access to 
>>>>God when they use the gift.
>>>>Actually, as a much younger Christian I sometimes longed for the 
>>>>gift of tongues when I feltI had no words or may prayer just went 
>>>>to the ceiling or lower still , i wished I could speak in 
>>>>tongues. Today I think that when it gets to middle stuff, I think 
>>>>a lot of that is beyond words anyway. A lot of deep stuff is. 
>>>>Often with Chrhis and me, we know what the other thinks anyway 
>>>>and there is no need for words. Sometimes when I share deep with 
>>>>Papito, I ask him if he can see my middle and even more often he 
>>>>does and sometimes before I do like a daddy does. And if people 
>>>>like Chris or Papito don't - and Ned doesn't believe in angel 
>>>>speak but just in "tongues" as being able to speak other 
>>>>languages like Spanish or German - then Mr. God sure doesn't 
>>>>because he is in the middle and all around and he made us in the 
>>>>first place knitting needles and all. The gifts we get are to 
>>>>help us to help God do his God stuff whether Angel Speak so we 
>>>>have a channel for beyond words stuff if that helps us because 
>>>>God's loves to hear from us or whether it is the gift of using 
>>>>languages to preach to other people - or, I bet, language in any 
>>>>sense not just for preaching but for writing and writing songs 
>>>>and music and painting with words in whatever form.
>>>>
>>>>Isn't there some song about one's life being a song or prayer to 
>>>>God in the first place? I have half-remembered lyrics in the back 
>>>>of my mind ever since us starting this subject - not tongues but 
>>>>the ceaseless prayer - but I don't remember lyrics really nor a tune. Oh well.
>>>>
>>>>Thanks for your confirmation on the subject, Mr. Phil.
>>>>
>>>>In his loving grip!
>>>>
>>>>Doris
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>At 12:31 PM 8/14/2013 -0600, you wrote:
>>>>>Doris,
>>>>>
>>>>>You are correct.  Tongues is a spiritual gift, which means, no 
>>>>>one needs, or has to, speak in tongues.  It belongs in the 
>>>>>prayer category due to its twofold nature.  However, anyone who 
>>>>>says you have to speak in tongues for any reason isn't 
>>>>>interpreting Scripture correctly.  Pray without ceasing isn't 
>>>>>tongues but it could be used at times in the process; it's just 
>>>>>not a requirement.
>>>>>
>>>>>Phil.