honesty should never be mistaken for arrogance or incivility.
If trippy just asked questions to help himself figure things out, it 
wouldn't be a problem.
But he comes on list and makes sweeping generalizations as if they are fact, 
when it fact, it is most often his own error that is the issue.
Yep, we're all human and we all know that.
Pat wasn't out of line at all.  He just stated the obvious.
We also know trippy can roll with the punches and isn't going to wither away 
and melt just because someone offers a bit of pointed banter back his way.
If you were to get on 75M and say some of the things Trippy has posted to 
the list, you would get all kinds of this sort of response in a very public 
and immediate manner.
It's all part of elmering and a bit of tough love more than anything else.
If you don't communicate properly, your going to get told so, and it might 
have to be in a way that isn't covered with roses and presented in poetic 
verse.
How else do we learn than by the response of others?
just my 3 minutes worth lol.

73
Colin, V A6BKX
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Pat Byrne" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2012 9:45 AM
Subject: Re: License Renewal?


> And now this clown can't run his damned TS120!!  Should it be like a
> drivers licenst; take a road trip with the writtten?  Or am I just
> old and a crabass!!
> Pat, K9JAUAt 09:17 PM 6/6/2012, you wrote:
>>Pat,
>>
>>Do you suppose Venus passing between the sun and the Earth last evening 
>>has
>>anything to do with all this B S?
>>
>>73, no "s"
>>
>>Howard #3
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Pat Byrne" <[log in to unmask]>
>>To: <[log in to unmask]>
>>Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2012 6:55 PM
>>Subject: Re: License Renewal?
>>
>>
>> > This Pat has had nothing to do with this discussion.  Is there
>> > something in the water, or the recent full moon?  This is the third
>> > list I am a part of that has gone bonkers in the last few
>> > days.  Everyone ease up, for God's sake.
>> > Pat, K9JAU
>> > At 02:42 PM 6/6/2012, you wrote:
>> >>Hi Pat,
>> >>I'm not leaving, Ed!
>> >>There is someone who is on this list, very well known, who thinks the =
>> >>same way that I do, and I'll let him identify himself, if he chooses 
>> >>to!
>> >>I'm tired of hearing hams tlak like cbers. Hams need to talk the talk, 
>> >>=
>> >>the correct talk.  This hobby has gone to hell in a hand basket!
>> >>We've got hams, who should know better, doing things on hf that I'd =
>> >>never do, whistling, keying up on people, you name it!
>> >>This hobby is not the ham radio I use to know.
>> >>The operating skills of many hams, are absolutely attrocious.
>> >>73,
>> >>Trippy, ac8s
>> >>   ----- Original Message -----=20
>> >>   From: Ed Malmgren=20
>> >>   To: [log in to unmask]
>> >>   Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2012 2:49 PM
>> >>   Subject: Fw: License Renewal?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>   Hey Tricky, if you don't like what goes on here, move on, I doubt =
>> >>anyone=20
>> >>   will miss your bull.  73
>> >>   Ed   K7UC
>> >>
>> >>   --------------------------------------------------
>> >>   From: "Harry Brown" <[log in to unmask]>
>> >>   Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2012 12:38 PM
>> >>   To: <[log in to unmask]>
>> >>   Subject: Re: License Renewal?
>> >>
>> >>   > HI all,
>> >>   > Please, can we stop with the 73's?
>> >>   > We're suppose to be hams here, not chicken banders.
>> >>   > I'm not alone, when it comes to that, either.
>> >>   > A very well known ham, nationally, has this pet peeve as well, and 
>> >> I
>> >> =
>> >>=3D
>> >>   > also do.
>> >>   > This is not cb, this is ham radio, and if you're gonna be a ham, =
>> >>talk =3D
>> >>   > the talk!
>> >>   > 73,
>> >>   > Trippy, ac8s
>> >>   >  ----- Original Message -----=3D20
>> >>   >  From: Howard, W A 9 Y B W=3D20
>> >>   >  To: [log in to unmask]
>> >>   >  Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2012 8:38 AM
>> >>   >  Subject: License Renewal?
>> >>   >
>> >>   >
>> >>   >  Hi Howard,
>> >>   >
>> >>   >  This is Howard #3.
>> >>   >
>> >>   >  About 4 years ago I renewed my license on the FCC website and I =
>> >>didn't =3D
>> >>   > =3D3D
>> >>   >  have=3D3D20
>> >>   >  any trouble.  There site is very accessible.
>> >>   >
>> >>   >  Before you can use their Universal Licensing System, you need to 
>> >> =
>> >>get =3D
>> >>   > an =3D3D
>> >>   >  ID=3D3D20
>> >>   >  number from them.  This also can be done online and the number 
>> >> will
>> >> =
>> >>=3D
>> >>   > be=3D3D20
>> >>   >  e-mailed to you immediately.
>> >>   >
>> >>   >  If you are reasonably proficient at filling out forms online, 
>> >> this =
>> >>=3D
>> >>   > whole =3D3D
>> >>   >
>> >>   >  process can be completed in less than half an hour at most.
>> >>   >
>> >>   >  On a scale of 1 (easy) to 10 (hard) this exercise  is about a 3 
>> >> in =
>> >>=3D
>> >>   > my=3D3D20
>> >>   >  opinion.
>> >>   >
>> >>   >  The hardest thing is to figure out what website to go to.
>> >>   >
>> >>   >  If anyone is interested, I will look up the address and post it =
>> >>here.
>> >>   >
>> >>   >  If you are able to get an Amateur license than you are smart 
>> >> enough
>> >> =
>> >>to =3D
>> >>   > =3D3D
>> >>   >  renew=3D3D20
>> >>   >  it independently.
>> >>   >
>> >>   >  73's
>> >>   >
>> >>   >  Howard #3, W A 9 Y B W