Pitch is not a manifestation of anything. It is a psychological perception.
Frequency is the manifestation you're talking about and pitch is how we perceive
frequency. I would think that as a ham you would at least have some
understanding of that fact. The problem seems to be that somehow you are
talking about "tone" andHumanware is talking about timbre. I completely agree
that they should not call a timbre control a tone control.
Tom
Tom Brennan KD5VIJ, CCC-A/SLP
web page http://titan.sfasu.edu/~g_brennantg/sonicpage.html
On Sat, 25 Feb 2012, Curtis Delzer wrote:
> Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2012 22:53:56 -0600
> From: Curtis Delzer <[log in to unmask]>
> Reply-To: For blind ham radio operators <[log in to unmask]>
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: FW: OT victor reader stream
>
> the best tone control I have ever seen in my over fifty years or
> reading books is on the digital NLS player. they sure got that one
> right. Now, if they just leave it alone? :) like Victor did not?
> Great heavens! I cannot believe they would confuse tone with an audio
> frequency distortion of analog pitch! Seems the algorithm which
> compensates for the speed change has enough to do without double
> compensating for both the speed and pitch when altering the "tone"
> setting. Ridiculous with a capital R, and I truly am astounded that
> whomever did this, has any idea about what in the world they are
> doing, let alone have proper education as to what a "tone" control does.
> As in the case of the NLS digital player, you brighten up the highs
> when going up, and deepen and accentuate the bass when going down,
> not, in any way, change the pitch of the voice, period. If you're
> going to mess with the analog pitch, in any digital player, it has to
> be an algorithm, since pitch, itself is a manifestation of the sample
> rate at which the file was recorded. You can just use another sample
> rate to play back, say 30000 instead of 22,050Hz or, 18000, etc, and
> you'll get your pitch change. However, most of the time I'd want
> pitch accuracy, after all, isn't the intent to have as little
> "distortion," of the signal as possible, a desired item in a digital
> audio transfer to the speaker, and thereby, the end user?
> Anyway, this multi-faceted tone control with it's tilting pitch
> distortion, has ruined the ability of the Victor Stream to properly
> tilt the audio equalization toward just brightening up the high end,
> by changing the pitch of the voice which just raises the high end of
> the voice by increasing the pitch which is a cheap attempt to gain in
> high pitch for audio compensation.
> Flummery! truly, flummery! And, these are audio engineers? I ask you!
> Go back to school, guys, at Victor, and take a lesson from the
> designers of the NLS digital player in how to manipulate a tone control.
> As I say, and will say again, they, truly, got, it, right!
>
>
>
>
> At 02:59 PM 2/25/2012, Lloyd Rasmussen wrote:
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Dave Basden [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> >Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2012 12:37 PM
> >To: [log in to unmask]
> >Subject: Re: FW: OT victor reader stream
> >
> >The problem is that the frequency response on books converted from
> >tape varies so much that the tone control is necessary to
> >compensate. They could eaqsily make the power button cycle through
> >gain, speed, tone, and pitch instead of just gain, speed, and tone.
> >
> >Dave, W7OQ
> >
> >At 07:42 AM 2/25/2012, you wrote:
> > >-----Original Message-----
> > >From: Lou Kolb [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> > >Sent: Friday, February 24, 2012 8:00 PM
> > >To: [log in to unmask]
> > >Subject: Re: OT victor reader stream
> > >
> > >Lloyd,
> > >
> > >The problem is not pitch changing with speed, rather when in the tone
> > >control mode on the stream, the pitch changes instead of the tone. Don't
> > >know for sure but I can't imagine thay did that deliberately.
> > >Lou Kolb
> > >Voice-over Artist:
> > >Radio/TV Ads, Video narrations
> > >Messages On-hold:
> > >www.loukolb.com
> > >----- Original Message -----
> > >From: "Lloyd Rasmussen" <[log in to unmask]>
> > >To: <[log in to unmask]>
> > >Sent: Friday, February 24, 2012 7:42 PM
> > >Subject: Re: OT victor reader stream
> > >
> > >
> > > >I think that this pitch change with speed increase is intentional.
> >Someone
> > > > may like it. It also means that the time-scale modification algorithm
> > > > doesn't have to work quite as hard, thus chopping the audio up a bit
> >less.
> > > > A long time ago, as the NISO standard was being written and we were
> > > > discussing playback device features, there was some sentiment that we
> > > > should
> > > > recommend the ability to adjust the pitch separately from the
> > > > time-scale-modified speed. This didn't make it into the NLS player. I
> > > > think it's in one of the iPhone apps, perhaps for Learning Ally.
> >Someone
> > > > should make a recording so others will know how big a change it is, and
> > > > whether it will bother them.
> > > > 73,
> > > > Lloyd Rasmussen, W3IUU, Wheaton, Maryland
> > > > Home: http://lras.home.sprynet.com
> > > > Work: http://www.loc.gov/nls
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >> -----Original Message-----
> > > >> From: For blind ham radio operators
> > > >> [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> > > >> On Behalf Of Lou Kolb
> > > >> Sent: Friday, February 24, 2012 6:35 PM
> > > >> To: [log in to unmask]
> > > >> Subject: Re: OT victor reader stream
> > > >>
> > > >> I just wrote to Bob Martin privately but there seems to be enough
> > > >> interest
> > > >> to just mention it here also. Ok, here's the scoop. The update went
> > > >> flawlessly but when i resumed reading my book, I noticed that the pitch
> > > >> was
> > > >> a bit high. just like in the good old days when we put up with pitch
> > > >> change
> > > >> to gain some speed. I recalled that one of the new features was the
> >new
> > > >> tone algorithm thay are also using in the Victor Stratus. So I went to
> > > >> the
> > > >> tone control and zeroed it out and voila, the pitch returned to normal.
> > > >> This made me feel a lot better since I wouldn't have to put up with
> > > >> slightly
> > > >> raised pitch but neither can I adjust the tone as before. The pitch
> >does
> > > >> change as it's now supposed to for text-to-speech material but I don't
> > > >> think
> > > >> they intended it to on audio. I'll let you know as I continue to
> >tinker.
> > > >> Lou WA3MIX
> > > >> Lou Kolb
> > > >> Voice-over Artist:
> > > >> Radio/TV Ads, Video narrations
> > > >> Messages On-hold:
> > > >> www.loukolb.com
> > > >> ----- Original Message -----
> > > >> From: "Butch Bussen" <[log in to unmask]>
> > > >> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> > > >> Sent: Friday, February 24, 2012 5:57 PM
> > > >> Subject: Re: OT victor reader stream
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> > Why not. We never stay on topic. Personally, I'm interested as I
> > > >> > haven't updated mine yet. Write privately if you wish.
> > > >> > 73
> > > >> > Butch
> > > >> > WA0VJR
> > > >> > Node 3148
> > > >> > Wallace, ks.
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> > On Fri, 24 Feb
> > > >> > 2012, Lou Kolb wrote:
> > > >> >
> > > >> >> i've just updated my stream to the latest firmware and have noticed
> >an
> > > >> >> oddity. I'd like to discuss this but not on this list as it's way
> > > >> >> off-topic. Please contact me directly at:
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> [log in to unmask]
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> Thanks and 73, lou WA3MIX
> > > >> >> Lou Kolb
> > > >> >> Voice-over Artist:
> > > >> >> Radio/TV Ads, Video narrations
> > > >> >> Messages On-hold:
> > > >> >> www.loukolb.com
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >>
>
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