I agree completely!
Sent from my Verizon iPhone!
On Feb 25, 2012, at 11:53 PM, Curtis Delzer <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> the best tone control I have ever seen in my over fifty years or
> reading books is on the digital NLS player. they sure got that one
> right. Now, if they just leave it alone? :) like Victor did not?
> Great heavens! I cannot believe they would confuse tone with an audio
> frequency distortion of analog pitch! Seems the algorithm which
> compensates for the speed change has enough to do without double
> compensating for both the speed and pitch when altering the "tone"
> setting. Ridiculous with a capital R, and I truly am astounded that
> whomever did this, has any idea about what in the world they are
> doing, let alone have proper education as to what a "tone" control does.
> As in the case of the NLS digital player, you brighten up the highs
> when going up, and deepen and accentuate the bass when going down,
> not, in any way, change the pitch of the voice, period. If you're
> going to mess with the analog pitch, in any digital player, it has to
> be an algorithm, since pitch, itself is a manifestation of the sample
> rate at which the file was recorded. You can just use another sample
> rate to play back, say 30000 instead of 22,050Hz or, 18000, etc, and
> you'll get your pitch change. However, most of the time I'd want
> pitch accuracy, after all, isn't the intent to have as little
> "distortion," of the signal as possible, a desired item in a digital
> audio transfer to the speaker, and thereby, the end user?
> Anyway, this multi-faceted tone control with it's tilting pitch
> distortion, has ruined the ability of the Victor Stream to properly
> tilt the audio equalization toward just brightening up the high end,
> by changing the pitch of the voice which just raises the high end of
> the voice by increasing the pitch which is a cheap attempt to gain in
> high pitch for audio compensation.
> Flummery! truly, flummery! And, these are audio engineers? I ask you!
> Go back to school, guys, at Victor, and take a lesson from the
> designers of the NLS digital player in how to manipulate a tone control.
> As I say, and will say again, they, truly, got, it, right!
>
>
>
>
> At 02:59 PM 2/25/2012, Lloyd Rasmussen wrote:
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Dave Basden [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
>> Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2012 12:37 PM
>> To: [log in to unmask]
>> Subject: Re: FW: OT victor reader stream
>>
>> The problem is that the frequency response on books converted from
>> tape varies so much that the tone control is necessary to
>> compensate. They could eaqsily make the power button cycle through
>> gain, speed, tone, and pitch instead of just gain, speed, and tone.
>>
>> Dave, W7OQ
>>
>> At 07:42 AM 2/25/2012, you wrote:
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Lou Kolb [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
>>> Sent: Friday, February 24, 2012 8:00 PM
>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>> Subject: Re: OT victor reader stream
>>>
>>> Lloyd,
>>>
>>> The problem is not pitch changing with speed, rather when in the tone
>>> control mode on the stream, the pitch changes instead of the tone. Don't
>>> know for sure but I can't imagine thay did that deliberately.
>>> Lou Kolb
>>> Voice-over Artist:
>>> Radio/TV Ads, Video narrations
>>> Messages On-hold:
>>> www.loukolb.com
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Lloyd Rasmussen" <[log in to unmask]>
>>> To: <[log in to unmask]>
>>> Sent: Friday, February 24, 2012 7:42 PM
>>> Subject: Re: OT victor reader stream
>>>
>>>
>>>> I think that this pitch change with speed increase is intentional.
>> Someone
>>>> may like it. It also means that the time-scale modification algorithm
>>>> doesn't have to work quite as hard, thus chopping the audio up a bit
>> less.
>>>> A long time ago, as the NISO standard was being written and we were
>>>> discussing playback device features, there was some sentiment that we
>>>> should
>>>> recommend the ability to adjust the pitch separately from the
>>>> time-scale-modified speed. This didn't make it into the NLS player. I
>>>> think it's in one of the iPhone apps, perhaps for Learning Ally.
>> Someone
>>>> should make a recording so others will know how big a change it is, and
>>>> whether it will bother them.
>>>> 73,
>>>> Lloyd Rasmussen, W3IUU, Wheaton, Maryland
>>>> Home: http://lras.home.sprynet.com
>>>> Work: http://www.loc.gov/nls
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: For blind ham radio operators
>>>>> [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
>>>>> On Behalf Of Lou Kolb
>>>>> Sent: Friday, February 24, 2012 6:35 PM
>>>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>>>> Subject: Re: OT victor reader stream
>>>>>
>>>>> I just wrote to Bob Martin privately but there seems to be enough
>>>>> interest
>>>>> to just mention it here also. Ok, here's the scoop. The update went
>>>>> flawlessly but when i resumed reading my book, I noticed that the pitch
>>>>> was
>>>>> a bit high. just like in the good old days when we put up with pitch
>>>>> change
>>>>> to gain some speed. I recalled that one of the new features was the
>> new
>>>>> tone algorithm thay are also using in the Victor Stratus. So I went to
>>>>> the
>>>>> tone control and zeroed it out and voila, the pitch returned to normal.
>>>>> This made me feel a lot better since I wouldn't have to put up with
>>>>> slightly
>>>>> raised pitch but neither can I adjust the tone as before. The pitch
>> does
>>>>> change as it's now supposed to for text-to-speech material but I don't
>>>>> think
>>>>> they intended it to on audio. I'll let you know as I continue to
>> tinker.
>>>>> Lou WA3MIX
>>>>> Lou Kolb
>>>>> Voice-over Artist:
>>>>> Radio/TV Ads, Video narrations
>>>>> Messages On-hold:
>>>>> www.loukolb.com
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Butch Bussen" <[log in to unmask]>
>>>>> To: <[log in to unmask]>
>>>>> Sent: Friday, February 24, 2012 5:57 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: OT victor reader stream
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Why not. We never stay on topic. Personally, I'm interested as I
>>>>>> haven't updated mine yet. Write privately if you wish.
>>>>>> 73
>>>>>> Butch
>>>>>> WA0VJR
>>>>>> Node 3148
>>>>>> Wallace, ks.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, 24 Feb
>>>>>> 2012, Lou Kolb wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> i've just updated my stream to the latest firmware and have noticed
>> an
>>>>>>> oddity. I'd like to discuss this but not on this list as it's way
>>>>>>> off-topic. Please contact me directly at:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> [log in to unmask]
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks and 73, lou WA3MIX
>>>>>>> Lou Kolb
>>>>>>> Voice-over Artist:
>>>>>>> Radio/TV Ads, Video narrations
>>>>>>> Messages On-hold:
>>>>>>> www.loukolb.com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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