I tried that years ago Jerry - terrivle failure.  Lots of RF 
rectification so the receiver was full of broadcast crap.  Fun 
experiment, though.
Pat, K9JAU At 07:50 PM 11/14/2011, you wrote:
>also load the rain gutters.
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Butch Bussen" <[log in to unmask]>
>To: <[log in to unmask]>
>Sent: Monday, November 14, 2011 10:01 AM
>Subject: Re: Antenna questions.
>
>
> > How about running a loop all around the house for 80 meters.  Try this
> > page for some ideas.
> >
> >
> > http://www.eham.net/articles/21270
> >
> > 73
> > Butch
> > WA0VJR
> > Node 3148
> > Wallace, ks.
> >
> >
> > On Mon, 14 Nov 2011, Rick wrote:
> >
> >> no trees or poles.
> >> That is why I want to put up a vertical, and put a wire in the attic.
> >> I do have 79 feet along side the house running east to west, but I don't
> >> think that would get me on 80.
> >> I cant run a wire along side the house then bring it across the backyard
> >> because it would go over or under the power line coming into the house.
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Gerry Leary" <[log in to unmask]>
> >> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> >> Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2011 5:08 PM
> >> Subject: Re: Antenna questions.
> >>
> >>
> >>> First do you have trees or any kind of poles that are up?  You could
> >>> maybe
> >>> create a low altitude loop or dipole and that might work.  Also I think
> >>> that
> >>> the Gap Titan will work 80 meters.  Also right now I am using a
> >>> screwdriver
> >>> antenna on a small tripod with 16 10 foot radials.  I could put it on a
> >>> fence post and maybe load the fence as the ground side also.  I think
> >>> some
> >>> of the high gain verticals will work 80 also, but I think they need
> >>> radials.
> >>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>> From: "Rick" <[log in to unmask]>
> >>> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> >>> Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2011 10:19 AM
> >>> Subject: Antenna questions.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> Hi list.
> >>>> I'm having problems with my R7, instead of trying to fix it I want to
> >>>> replace it with something that will work on 80 meters.
> >>>> I would like some ideas as what kind of ground mounted verticals to
> >>>> look
> >>>> at.
> >>>> I don't have room to run radials and the land lord won't let me put
> >>>> anything
> >>>> on the house.
> >>>> Also I would like to put a wire antenna in the attic.
> >>>> I'd like it to cover as many bands as possible.
> >>>> Any suggestions as to what to look at would be appreciated.
> >>>> What kind of insulators would I need, and how far away from the wood
> >>>> should
> >>>> I keep the wire?
> >>>> Thanks in advance, and 7 3.
> >>
> >>